{"id":79310,"date":"2025-02-10T06:36:44","date_gmt":"2025-02-10T06:36:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/business\/marketing\/the-state-of-marketing-operations-professionals-is-ok-but-its-going-to-get-much-much-better-chief-marketing-technologist\/"},"modified":"2025-02-10T06:36:44","modified_gmt":"2025-02-10T06:36:44","slug":"the-state-of-marketing-operations-professionals-is-ok-but-its-going-to-get-much-much-better-chief-marketing-technologist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=79310","title":{"rendered":"The state of marketing operations professionals is OK, but it\u2019s going to get much, much better \u2013 Chief Marketing Technologist"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div itemprop=\"text\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Job Responsibilities\" class=\"wp-image-5835\" width=\"728\" height=\"393\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px-300x162.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px-1024x553.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px-768x415.png 768w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px.png\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px.png\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Job Responsibilities\" class=\"wp-image-5835\" width=\"728\" height=\"393\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px-300x162.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px-1024x553.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-people-process-tech-data-1456px-768x415.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p>Last week, Mike Rizzo and team at <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/marketingops.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">MarketingOps.com<\/a> hosted their annual MOps-Apalooza event with 400+ marketing ops people. I was honored to be one of their keynote speakers, and I\u2019ll share the core theme of my talk with you in a moment. But first\u2026<\/p>\n<p>They also released their annual <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/marketingops.com\/state-of-the-marketing-ops-professional-research-2024\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>State of the Marketing Operations Professionals<\/strong><\/a>, an epic 87-page report that surveyed more than 600 marketing ops pros on almost every facet of their careers. It\u2019s a veritable gold mine of data and insights about a discipline that is still comparatively quite new and not fully understood across the broader marketing industry.<\/p>\n<p>That said, marketing ops has come a long way from \u201cthe island of misfit toys\u201d that one snarky analyst called it over a decade ago. Here are a few key points from the report:<\/p>\n<p>Marketing ops has become an established career, with decent 6-figure salaries and an increasing pool of tenured talent with 6+ years of experience. On a scale of 1-7 \u2014\u00a01 as the least favorable answer, 7 as the most \u2014 they generally have a score of ~4.5 for feeling they\u2019re compensated fairly, understood, and valued by their employers. Not great, but well above the middle point. (And not bad in today\u2019s macro environment.)<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Salaries &amp; Experience\" class=\"wp-image-5836\" width=\"728\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries-300x178.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries-1024x609.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries-768x457.png 768w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries.png\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries.png\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Salaries &amp; Experience\" class=\"wp-image-5836\" width=\"728\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries-300x178.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries-1024x609.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-salaries-768x457.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p>As shown at the top of this post, marketing ops is clearly an entangled mix of process, technology, and data with 77.8%, 72.7%, and 73.3% of responsibilities matching those three pillars. (When asked to pick one <em>primary<\/em> responsibility, the answers were nearly evenly split.)<\/p>\n<p>Data is becoming an even more central part of marketing ops strategy and leadership, with emphasis moving forward on data enrichment (52.4%), data quality (46.8%), and data integration (45.8%), and topping the list.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Tech and Data Priorities\" class=\"wp-image-5837\" width=\"728\" height=\"409\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px-1024x575.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px-768x431.png 768w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px.png\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px.png\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Tech and Data Priorities\" class=\"wp-image-5837\" width=\"728\" height=\"409\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px-1024x575.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-tech-data-priorities-1456px-768x431.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p>This is reflected in the top set of technologies that marketing ops expects to invest in over the next 12-18 months, with data enrichment and intent tools at the top (54.6%). Of course, AI is in the top three (42.2%). But the next two are also data-centric: analytics tools (39.2%) and ABM tools (35.5%).<\/p>\n<p>So given that a core responsibility of marketing ops is the evolutioon of marketing\u2019s tech stack, and they\u2019ve got a significant list of new technologies they\u2019re planning for the year ahead, we get to the finding that is my long-time pet rock: <em>integration<\/em>.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Values Integration of Martech Tools\" class=\"wp-image-5838\" width=\"728\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px-300x187.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px-1024x637.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px-768x478.png 768w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px.png\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px.png\" alt=\"Marketing Ops Values Integration of Martech Tools\" class=\"wp-image-5838\" width=\"728\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px-300x187.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px-1024x637.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-martech-integration-1456px-768x478.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p>The \u201cability to integrate\u201d is by far the #1 criteria (81.3%) \u2014 almost double the next highest ranked factor \u2014 that marketing ops professionals have when evaluating new marketing technology.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s not to say that price, scalability, compliance, ease of use, service and support, etc., aren\u2019t important. Of course, they are.<\/p>\n<p>But most significant martech purchases are (or should be) made with a buying group, where other stakeholders often cover well these other factors. But marketing operations is the stakeholder that tunes in on integration. Because they know that even if a new product or platform checks all the other boxes, if it it doesn\u2019t integrate well to the rest of the tech stack, it\u2019s likely to end up as an anchor more than a sail.<\/p>\n<p>My other pet rock has been advocating for agile management approaches in marketing and martech <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/2010\/03\/ideas-for-an-agile-marketing-manifesto\/\" target=\"_blank\">since 2010<\/a>. Good to see that agile is the dominant approach professional marketing ops teams are taking to managing their work.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"648\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5839\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-1024x648.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-300x190.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-768x486.png 768w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px.png 1456w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-1024x648.png\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"648\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-1024x648.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5839\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-1024x648.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-300x190.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px-768x486.png 768w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-agile-cross-org-1456px.png 1456w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p>It\u2019s also good to see that marketing operations now works closely with not just sales, sales ops, and rev ops, but also the C-suite and IT. Although as other data in the report shows, there\u2019s still plenty of room for improvement in <em>alignment<\/em> with these collaborations.<\/p>\n<p>One more finding from this report that I want to highlight is the level of digital maturity that marketing ops respondents rated their organizations:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Digital Maturity of Marketing as Rated by Marketing Ops\" class=\"wp-image-5841\" width=\"728\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px-300x185.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px-1024x633.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px-768x475.png 768w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px.png\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px.png\" alt=\"Digital Maturity of Marketing as Rated by Marketing Ops\" class=\"wp-image-5841\" width=\"728\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px-300x185.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px-1024x633.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/digital-maturity-marketing-ops-1456px-768x475.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p>The relatively low digital maturity of these companies, mostly Level 1 or Level 2, attests that while we no longer talk about \u201cdigital transformation,\u201d most companies still have a long way to go. Or, for a more positive spin, there\u2019s still tremendous opportunity for growth in digital operations overall.<\/p>\n<p>Marketing ops teams can play \u2014 <em>must play <\/em>\u2014 an essential role in this leveling up.<\/p>\n<p>Which brings me to the core theme of my keynote at MOps-Apalooza. Marketing ops has grown as a more integral part of marketing. But it\u2019s still under-resourced and under-appreciated relative to other facets of the department. Strategy and creative are prized above all else. But that\u2019s still not where most of marketing labor is allocated.<\/p>\n<p>Most of the hours spent in marketing today go into various kinds of production and analysis. Because it takes a lot of skilled labor to turn those strategic and creative ideas into reality.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The Future of Marketing Ops\" class=\"wp-image-5840\" width=\"728\" height=\"386\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px-300x159.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px-1024x543.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px-768x407.png 768w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px.png\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px.png\" alt=\"The Future of Marketing Ops\" class=\"wp-image-5840\" width=\"728\" height=\"386\" srcset=\"https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px.png 1456w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px-300x159.png 300w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px-1024x543.png 1024w, https:\/\/chiefmartec.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/marketing-ops-before-after-ai-1456px-768x407.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p>But I believe that over the next 5 years, AI will automate and optimize a large portion of that production and analysis work. At the same time, it will dramatically expand the scope and scale of creative experimentation that marketing can do. I think it will be a golden age of marketing strategy and creative \u2014 <em>you ain\u2019t seen nuttin\u2019, Don Draper<\/em> \u2014 with a lot more human energy being allocated directly to that work.<\/p>\n<p>The caveat, however, is that for all that amazing AI automation, optimization, and creative empowerment to work, the underlying technology and data infrastructure and operating system needs to be extremely well-run.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s the mission of marketing operations.<\/p>\n<p>As that impact and recognition grows, the investment and appreciation in great marketing ops will too.<\/p>\n<p>Want a ton more great insights and data points on marketing ops? Download a free copy of <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/marketingops.com\/state-of-the-marketing-ops-professional-research-2024\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>The State of the Marketing Operations Professional<\/strong><\/a> report. It\u2019s a fantastic resource. Kudos, Mike and team!<\/p>\n<div class=\"astra-advanced-hook-4623 \">\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns bottom-of-post-optin-widget is-layout-flex wp-container-3\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:40%\">\n<h3 class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-heading\">Get chiefmartec.com directly in your inbox!<\/h3>\n<p class=\"has-normal-font-size\"><meta charset=\"utf-8\"\/>Subscribe to my newsletter to get the latest insights on martech as soon as they hit the wire. 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