{"id":7072226,"date":"2026-10-02T02:36:18","date_gmt":"2026-10-02T02:36:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=7072226"},"modified":"2026-10-02T02:36:18","modified_gmt":"2026-10-02T02:36:18","slug":"451-the-hardest-conversation-ive-ever-had-with-jessi-marsh-l3-leadership","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=7072226","title":{"rendered":"451: The Hardest Conversation I&#8217;ve Ever Had with Jessi Marsh | L3 Leadership"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<div class=\"ql-block\" data-block-id=\"block-1VN_dviHLf\">\n<p>\u201cYou fight fear with gratitude.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith sits down with his longtime friend and former leader, Jessi Marsh, CEO of the Will Allen Foundation.<\/p>\n<p>Doug and Jessi unpack one of the hardest conversations of Doug\u2019s career and the conflict that could have ended their working relationship. Instead, their willingness to have an honest conversation became a turning point in their relationship and taught them both powerful lessons about trust, communication, humility, conflict, and grace.<\/p>\n<p>Together, Doug and Jessi discuss how to have courageous conversations, rebuild trust, learn from people who think differently, lead with both capability and empathy, and make the most of the life you\u2019ve been given.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Hardest Conversation I&amp;apos;ve Ever Had with Jessi Marsh\" width=\"840\" height=\"473\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/88-8_XW75d0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><noscript><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Hardest Conversation I&amp;apos;ve Ever Had with Jessi Marsh\" width=\"840\" height=\"473\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/88-8_XW75d0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/noscript><\/p>\n<p><strong><b>Resources Mentioned:<\/b><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/dougsmithlive.com\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Website<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> | <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/douglassmithlive\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> | <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/dougsmithlive\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Instagram<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> | <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/dougsmithlive\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">X (Twitter)<\/span><\/a><strong>| <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/dougsmithlive\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">LinkedIn <\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Rate This Podcast: <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/ratethispodcast.com\/l3leadership\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">https:\/\/ratethispodcast.com\/l3leadership<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h3><em>Welcome to the L3 Leadership Podcast!<\/em><\/h3>\n<p>Thanks for tuning into this week\u2019s episode of the L3 Leadership podcast, where we\u2019re obsessed with helping you grow to your maximum potential and maximize the impact of your leadership.<\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to the show and leave a review wherever you get your podcasts.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/3CBHbRL6rJtSXwpKBaamNo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Spotify<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/show\/learning-to-lead-podcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Stitcher<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/l3-leadership-podcast\/id495751888?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.iheart.com\/podcast\/269-l3-leadership-podca-29076655\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">iHeart Radio<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Business--Economics-Podcasts\/L3-Leadership-Podcast-p1102530\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">TuneIn<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYnV6enNwcm91dC5jb20vNTA4Mi5yc3M\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Google Podcasts<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/d75e3339-1d94-4d0e-8791-485e3d0d7446\/L3-Leadership-Podcast?\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Amazon Music\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p><!-- Kit append_form_to_content(): Kit Form ID 0 does not exist on Kit. 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