On Tuesday, New York Mayor Zohran Mamdani was asked about an upcoming appearance by Mohan Bhagwat, a leader of a Hindu nationalist organization, at Madison Square Garden on Saturday.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
\u201cI don\u2019t support the rally, but I don\u2019t know if the city has any jurisdiction on canceling a private event,\u201d he said at a press conference. \u201cIt has been incredibly troubling to see the rise of a movement that is predicated on an exclusionary vision of any country, frankly, and so it is one that I find myself in deep opposition to.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
His statement has led to a flurry of controversy and allegations that Mamdani is \u201cHinduphobic,\u201d biased toward Muslims, and picking a fight with another religious and ethnic group. The mayor has continued to make headlines this year for his vocal criticism of Israel and its Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, leading to tensions with Jewish leaders and communities in New York.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
But Mamdani was far from the only critic of the event; other Hindu, Muslim, interfaith, and human rights activists protested the event<\/a> and demanded it be canceled this week.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n What\u2019s actually going on here?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Bhagwat is the leader of the Indian organization Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (or RSS for short), a Hindu nationalist group affiliated with India\u2019s ruling party, the Bharatiya Janata Party.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Bhagwat is not a politician or an officeholder in India, but is frequently described as being one of the most influential<\/a> men in that country, primarily because of his role in leading RSS, which describes itself as a \u201cHindu-centric civilisational, cultural movement.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Yet plenty of activists, academics, experts, and critics contest that description of RSS, instead casting it as a right-wing Hindu nationalist paramilitary organization, accused of fueling intolerance, endorsing discrimination, or inciting violence against minorities in the subcontinent, particularly Muslims \u2014 essentially promoting an ideology that \u201camounts to \u2018an Indian version of fascism,\u2019\u201d<\/a> as one India scholar told my colleague Zack Beauchamp in 2023.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n And one of the most vocal recent critics is Mamdani, who is himself Muslim and of Hindu descent on his mother\u2019s side.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n To better understand the RSS, Bhagwat, and the reasons for Mamdani\u2019s criticism, I turned to Nishant Upadhyay, an associate professor in Asian American studies at the University of Colorado Boulder. Upadhyay has done extensive research on the intersection of race and caste, as well as Hindu nationalism in both India and diaspora communities.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Could you explain to me what these groups behind Saturday\u2019s event are?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n Mohan Bhagwat is the president of this Hindu nationalist organization, RSS, which loosely translates to National Volunteer Corps. The group that\u2019s organizing this event in the US is called American Hindus for Engagement and Dialogue. In choosing someone like Bhagwat, who has been the president of this organization since 2009, which is perhaps the largest paramilitary religious nationalist organization in the world, it\u2019s very concerning and shocking.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n American Hindus for Engagement and Dialogue say they\u2019re all about fostering understanding, building bridges, strengthening communities, but the Hindu nationalist project in India is anything but that. In the diaspora, for them to say that we believe in diversity, we believe in building bridges, we believe in a vision of multiculturalism<\/em>, it shows the contradiction between what Hindu nationalists are doing in India versus what they pretend to do in the diaspora.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Does RSS have a long history in India?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n It was founded in 1925, when India was under British colonial rule, with the idea that India should only be for Hindus. And who is \u201cHindu\u201d changes, but mostly the violence we see has been put on Muslim and Christian communities. And over the last hundred years, that violence just keeps escalating. Muslims are the primary target, but across the country, Christian communities have also become a big target.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n The whole idea is that India should be for Hindus and religions that have originated in South Asia. So Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism \u2014 they can be part of the Hindu nation as long as they identify themselves as Hindu, because these religions have some similarities with Hinduism. But all of them actually came as anti-caste critiques of Hinduism. Practitioners of these religions assert a very separate identity than Hindu because of what their scriptures have been grounded in: a very anti-casteist and anti-patriarchal critique of what we understand as Hinduism now.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n How does India\u2019s current government fit into this?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n RSS is the biggest umbrella organization of all Hindu nationalist organizations in India and the diaspora. And BJP, the ruling party in India, is seen as the political wing. So RSS does not necessarily participate in elections and government, but provides the spiritual, religious, and intellectual foundation for a political party like BJP that does come to power.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n They have this really massive network of RSS followers across the country who are then mobilized for elections, who are mobilized to support BJP, who are mobilized to then commit violence against Muslims<\/a>. Some people come from the RSS and become leaders in the BJP, though BJP also has other people who might not be directly affiliated with RSS, but it\u2019s the main political organization.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n For the last 12-ish years, Narendra Modi, who\u2019s the prime minister of India, has been in power with the BJP, which has drastically changed the social, political, and economic landscape of the country. The Hindu nationalist agenda has become more and more frontline and mainstreamed and normalized. Religious minorities like Muslims and Christians face constant violence, everyday surveillance, everyday policing, from the minutiae to extreme violence on a regular basis across the country. If Hindu nationalists had their way, they would either take away citizenship rights from Muslim communities or render them nationless and kick them out of the country.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n It\u2019s also caste-oppressed communities, Indigenous communities, ethnic communities like Kashmiri and Manipuri communities. We have just seen drastic escalation and violence against everyone who\u2019s not a Hindu and everyone who\u2019s not a dominant caste, or caste-privileged Hindus across the country.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n So this group\u2019s leader is coming to the US \u2014 how do Indians in the American diaspora feel about all this? When Modi came to the US in <\/strong>2019<\/strong><\/a>, he had massive crowds, and Donald Trump joined him. Do folks here feel the same way about someone like Bhagwat?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n It\u2019s complicated, and there isn\u2019t just one view. For context: Modi was banned from coming into the US until about 2014, because he was accused of encouraging genocide against Muslims in the state of Gujarat in 2002<\/a>, where over a thousand people were killed.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n But since being elected prime minister, he\u2019s visited the US multiple times and has often had huge gatherings in cities like New York and Houston. He won a third election two years ago, and his closeness with Trump\u2026he\u2019s projected often as a world leader. But there is, in the diaspora, along with human rights organizations in the US, active work against RSS and BJP for the last 20, 25 years. They are doing the consciousness-raising work of saying how this is a fascist ideology, anti-Muslim ideology and that we should not be in cahoots with them.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n But what we\u2019ve also seen is, especially in the last 15 years since Modi has come into power, that the Hindu right-wing diaspora has also become very active and mobilized. And so there used to be a more secular diaspora, which in some ways was the mainstream, that has been taken over by [the] Hindu right-wing diaspora now because of how they\u2019re in alignment with both the Democrat and the Republican Party. They\u2019re also working with Indian millionaires and billionaires in the US economy<\/a>, and so they\u2019ve started gaining this economic and political power<\/a> in the US where they\u2019re becoming more dominant.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n And they\u2019re able to do these things at a much larger scale now and counter the critiques of nationalism in the diaspora. There is power in the Hindu diaspora, and now, in some ways, the right-wing diaspora. That ideology works very well with Trump\u2019s ideology and actually also works with Democrats in many ways because Modi has also allowed more and more American corporate interests to come into the Indian economy.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n But that\u2019s not to say that the majority of the Indian diaspora is Hindu and the dominant caste; there are many who are non-dominant-caste and many who are not Hindus, and many who are Hindus and dominant-caste and critical of Hindu nationalism because we see the violence that is happening under the name of our religion in many ways.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n And that\u2019s where the conversation heats up, because Zohran Mamdani\u2019s family also comes from a much more secular, pluralist, anti-Hindutva [the RSS\/BJP ideology that defines Indian identity through Hindu identity<\/a>] ideology. And a place like New York has many amazing diasporic groups who are working every day to fight against fascism in India and the US.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Every time this erupts in the mainstream, we see this conflict between the much more conservative Hindu right-wing voices versus the much more liberal, secular, pluralist Indian diaspora.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n So let\u2019s talk about Mamdani\u2019s critique. What\u2019s the context we need to know that explains why he would speak up? <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n He is such a curious figure to have someone in the public realm like that. So he is Muslim, but his mother is Hindu, and his mother is from India. His mother has been a very renowned progressive filmmaker who\u2019s made films about different forms of structural violence in India for a long time. So he is Muslim, but also someone from a progressive Hindu background. He can see the violence in the Indian state in ways that are not accessible to many others.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n I would not say it\u2019s just because he\u2019s Muslim. I think because he\u2019s Muslim and has a progressive anti-violence kind of approach that for him then these are very important issues. That kind of outlook is not targeting Hindus, he\u2019s specifically talking about the violences of Hindu nationalism. It\u2019s not a blanket statement against all Hindus, that they are like that. And he\u2019s also Hindu, comes from a Hindu-heritage family as well.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n How does this compare to his comments and criticisms of Netanyahu? Some on the American right have cast him as having it out against Jewish people, or Israel, and now he\u2019s moving on to Hindus.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n It\u2019s very similar, in the sense that criticizing an ideology or a nation\u2019s policies is not the same thing as saying all people are responsible. The conversation that criticizing Netanyahu or Israel is not antisemitic is a similar conversation: it\u2019s actually not a critique of Hinduism or Judaism, it\u2019s a critique of hyper-nationalist politics that can come out of Zionism and Hindu nationalism and what the Indian state and the Israeli state does.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n His critique and my critique and many of us in the US, our critiques are saying, no, actually let\u2019s look at what Hindu nationalism and Zionism does. And that\u2019s where I think Mamdani comes from.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Anything Mamdani says and does or his wife says and does becomes news anyway, but these are much more grounded in politics that his and his family have been grounded in for a long time, to fight against violence and fascism and stand up for minoritized communities here and globally.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n He does have a track record of speaking up about Hindu nationalism. I believe he has called Modi a \u201c<\/strong>war criminal<\/strong><\/a>.<\/strong>\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n Yes, he\u2019s been doing this even before he became mayor or before he came into US politics. If you see his track record when he was a younger organizer, he has always been consistent on standing up for Palestinians, standing up for Muslims, standing up against all forms of fascism here and globally.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n He\u2019s very openly spoken about what is happening to Muslims in India in the last 10-plus years. Quite recently, he has spoken up about an Indian Muslim PhD scholar, Umar Khalid, who was critical of BJP and was arrested<\/a> and has been detained in Delhi for six years<\/a>. So Mamdani has shown solidarity to many Muslim folks in India who get unjustly incarcerated or face violence.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n So it\u2019s not surprising that Mamdani would weigh in now. But is it significant?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n I\u2019m wondering now with your question, if Mamdani hadn\u2019t said anything, would this have been an issue? Or if Mohan Bhagwat had gone somewhere else in the US, if the mayor would have not said anything, or if it would have sparked any interest.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n I want to emphasize that this is beyond players like Zohran Mamdani and Mohan Bhagwat, and more about the mainstreaming of Hindu nationalist ideology in the US. It is really scary and we need to be very attentive to it even when they use the language of pluralism and dialogue and building bridges.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Even Indian Americans who are Muslims and Kashmiris and Dalit and Manipuri and others get attacked on a very regular basis. So many academics in the US academy and grassroots-level organizers, who are mostly women and who are mostly Muslim or mostly Dalit, are publicly hounded. They get threats, threats against their children in their inboxes, in their phone calls, on their social media feeds. And this has been going on for the last 10 years and more. And so it is when we give power to people like Mohan Bhagwat that these violences escalate more.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" On Tuesday, New York Mayor Zohran Mamdani was asked about an upcoming appearance by Mohan Bhagwat, a leader of a Hindu nationalist organization, at Madison Square Garden on Saturday. \u201cI don\u2019t support the rally, but I don\u2019t know if the city has any jurisdiction on canceling a private event,\u201d he said at a press conference. 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