{"id":360673,"date":"2026-07-31T20:06:30","date_gmt":"2026-07-31T20:06:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/uncategorized\/escaping-the-darkness-breaking-free-from-new-age-and-the-occult-through-gods-truth-with-jac-marino-chen-226\/"},"modified":"2026-07-31T20:06:30","modified_gmt":"2026-07-31T20:06:30","slug":"escaping-the-darkness-breaking-free-from-new-age-and-the-occult-through-gods-truth-with-jac-marino-chen-226","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=360673","title":{"rendered":"Escaping the Darkness: Breaking Free from New Age and the Occult Through God&#8217;s Truth with Jac Marino Chen #226"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>\t\t\t\t<!--powerpress_player--><\/p>\n<p><meta itemprop=\"name\" content=\"Escaping the Darkness: Breaking Free from New Age and the Occult Through God\u2019s Truth with Jac Marino Chen #226\"\/><meta itemprop=\"uploadDate\" content=\"2026-06-23T07:30:00-04:00\"\/><meta itemprop=\"encodingFormat\" content=\"audio\/mpeg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"duration\" content=\"PT53M22S\"\/><meta itemprop=\"description\" content=\"&#10;Welcome back to Fierce Calling! In this episode, I welcome my new friend Jac Marino Chen. Jac shares her remarkable testimony of being saved by Jesus Christ out of the darkness of abuse, addiction, New Age practices, and the occult. We're also talki...\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/fiercecallingpodcast\/content.blubrry.com\/fiercecallingpodcast\/Jac_Marino_Chen_226.mp3\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"48.9\"\/><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=154090083&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Ffiercecallingpodcast%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Ffiercecallingpodcast%2FJac_Marino_Chen_226.mp3#mode-Light&amp;border-000000&amp;progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/fiercecallingpodcast\/content.blubrry.com\/fiercecallingpodcast\/Jac_Marino_Chen_226.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/?powerpress_pinw=43014-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/fiercecallingpodcast\/content.blubrry.com\/fiercecallingpodcast\/Jac_Marino_Chen_226.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Jac_Marino_Chen_226.mp3\">Download<\/a> (Duration: 53:22 \u2014 48.9MB) | <a href=\"#\" class=\"powerpress_link_e\" title=\"Embed\" onclick=\"return powerpress_show_embed('43014-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Embed<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe:  | <a href=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Welcome back to Fierce Calling! In this episode, I welcome my new friend Jac Marino Chen. Jac shares her remarkable testimony of being saved by Jesus Christ out of the darkness of abuse, addiction, New Age practices, and the occult. We\u2019re also talking about her new book,<em><a href=\"https:\/\/ensnaredbook.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"> Ensnared: Escaping New Age and Occult Practices Through Biblical Truth and Gospel Hope<\/a><\/em>, which is now available for pre-order.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From a self-described sorceress practicing ritual magick to discovering true freedom through faith in Jesus Christ, Jac warns of the deceptions of the enemy that can so easily ensnare those seeking to gain secret knowledge and control their own destinies. Our conversation explores the lure of secret knowledge, the deception of New Age philosophies, and the incremental steps that drew her deeper into occultism\u2014including her involvement with divination, alien worship, and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">According to Jac\u2019s media info about her book, \u201cA growing number of Americans believe in or practice the occult. This includes tarot card readings, Ouija boards, astrology, and visiting psychics. Even some professing Christians believe there is no harm in dabbling in such practices.\u201d It\u2019s also concerning how New Age and New Thought practices are seeping into churches\u2013sometimes much like a slow burn.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A key theme that emerged was the prevalence of occult practices in modern culture and even the subtle infiltration of New Age beliefs into everyday life and the church. Several points were raised, including the deceptive allure of practices like divination, manifestation, and the use of crystals, as well as the importance of discerning truth through God\u2019s Word. This episode not only shares her compelling testimony but also provides wisdom, encouragement, and biblical insight for anyone seeking hope or answers amidst spiritual confusion.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\ud83d\udca1 Episode Highlights &amp; Key Takeaways<\/h3>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Testimony of Transformation:<\/strong><br \/>One concept discussed was the slow and incremental way spiritual deception can take hold, leading Jack from childhood trauma and confusion, through self-described sorcery and ceremonial magick, to seeking real truth at her lowest point. She vividly described how searching for \u201csecret knowledge\u201d and a sense of control lured her deeper into darkness\u2014until reading the Bible for herself changed everything 05:22.<\/li>\n<li><strong>The Allure of Forbidden Practices:<\/strong><br \/>The discussion explored how practices like the Law of Attraction, crystals, divination, and certain spiritual rituals mirror biblical language but twist its meaning. Several points were raised, including the cultural glamorization of magick and how even mainstream environments now promote such practices as harmless or empowering 10:00.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Truth Wrapped in Lies:<\/strong><br \/>A key theme that emerged was how spiritual counterfeits often mix just enough truth to appear harmless, making discernment essential. The conversation emphasized reading Scripture in context and not building beliefs or practices on isolated verses taken out of context 39:28.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Hope for the Hurting &amp; Advice for Families:<\/strong><br \/>For those concerned about loved ones drawn into New Age or occult practices, the message was clear: do not underestimate the power of prayer and faithfully sharing the gospel, even if a person seems resistant at first. Jack\u2019s own turning point came through persistent, loving truth from her grandfather and others 43:55.<\/li>\n<li><strong>New Book Release:<\/strong><br \/>Jack\u2019s book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Ensnared-Overcoming-Darkness-Occult-Light\/dp\/0736992413\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Ensnared: Overcoming the Darkness of the New Age and Occult with the Light of God\u2019s Truth<\/em>,<\/a> is now available for pre-order. <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Picture2.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"332\" height=\"512\" data-attachment-id=\"43018\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/2026\/06\/23\/escaping-the-darkness-breaking-free-from-new-age-and-the-occult-through-gods-truth-with-jac-marino-chen-226\/picture2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Picture2.jpg?fit=332%2C512&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"332,512\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Picture2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Picture2.jpg?fit=332%2C512&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Picture2.jpg?resize=332%2C512&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43018\" style=\"width:214px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Picture2.jpg?w=332&amp;ssl=1 332w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Picture2.jpg?resize=195%2C300&amp;ssl=1 195w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 332px) 100vw, 332px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\ud83e\udd1d Connect with Jac!<\/h3>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can connect with Jac at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jacmarino.com\">https:\/\/www.jacmarino.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">and find her book here: <a href=\"https:\/\/ensnaredbook.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/ensnaredbook.com\/<\/a><\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-ensnared wp-block-embed-ensnared\"\/>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jac Marino Chen was saved by Jesus out of a past of abuse, addiction, New Age practices, the occult, hermeticism, ritual<br \/>magick, and deep depravity. She is passionate about exposing the darkness she formerly pursued while pointing to freedom through<br \/>faith in Jesus Christ. When not serving at church or doing occult outreach on her YouTube channel, you can find Jac writing<br \/>worship music with her husband under the name Jac and Josh Music. <\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\ud83d\ude4f Your Story Matters<\/h3>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As always, remember\u2014your journey, your fierce calling, and your honest story can comfort and encourage others. Where can you share your experiences this week?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Grace and peace,<br \/>Doris <br \/>Host, Fierce Calling Podcast<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What Threatens to Steal Your Joy?<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/book\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1511\" height=\"1601\" data-attachment-id=\"41725\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/2023\/10\/03\/the-power-of-scripture-inspired-prayer-with-brooke-mcglothlin-of-million-praying-moms\/img_8449-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?fit=1511%2C1601&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1511,1601\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"IMG_8449\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?fit=644%2C682&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=644%2C682&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41725\" style=\"width:402px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?w=1511&amp;ssl=1 1511w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=283%2C300&amp;ssl=1 283w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=644%2C682&amp;ssl=1 644w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=768%2C814&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=1450%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1450w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=610%2C646&amp;ssl=1 610w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=1080%2C1144&amp;ssl=1 1080w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=1280%2C1356&amp;ssl=1 1280w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=980%2C1038&amp;ssl=1 980w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8449.jpg?resize=480%2C509&amp;ssl=1 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Check out Surrender the Joy Stealers: Rediscover the Jesus Joy in You 6-week Bible study rooted in John 15. You can find more info at\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/book\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/book\/<\/a><\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Surrender-Joy-Stealers-Rediscover-Jesus\/dp\/1649499248\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"41954\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/2024\/06\/04\/detoured-and-disrupted-finding-gods-peace-in-our-unexpected-journeys-with-jen-babakhan\/now-available-100-x-100-px-instagram-post-square\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Now-Available-100-%C3%97-100-px-Instagram-Post-Square.png?fit=1080%2C1080&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1080\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Now-Available-100-\u00d7-100-px-Instagram-Post-Square\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Now-Available-100-%C3%97-100-px-Instagram-Post-Square.png?fit=644%2C644&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Now-Available-100-%C3%97-100-px-Instagram-Post-Square.png?resize=644%2C644&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41954\" style=\"width:437px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Let\u2019s Stay Connected!<\/h2>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Find my free resources including Fear Fighting Bible Verses, Simple Tips for Sharing Your Faith, Surrender the Joy Stealers,\u00a0<em>Step Out of Your Doubt and Into Your Calling ebook<\/em>, and more on my dorisswift.com\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">homepage<\/a>!<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Love Fierce Calling?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Did you know that following, rating, and leaving a review over at<\/strong>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.podchaser.com\/podcasts\/fierce-calling-940415?utm_source=podcaster&amp;utm_medium=feedcta&amp;utm_campaign=DorisSwift\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Podchaser<\/a>\u00a0<strong>or Apple Podcasts helps others discover the show too<\/strong>? I would so appreciate it, friend!<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Need a Speaker for Your Next Women\u2019s Event? Conference, Tea, Christmas Event, Workshops, Retreats? I have a few dates still available in  2026, and booking for 2027 \u2013 2028!<\/h2>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Check out my\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/speaking\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">speaking page,<\/a>\u00a0grab my flyer, and let\u2019s talk about me speaking at your next women\u2019s event\u2026<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/05\/Speaking-2026.jpg?ssl=1\"><img loading=\"lazy\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"644\" height=\"859\" data-attachment-id=\"42985\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/dorisswift.com\/2026\/05\/26\/beyond-i-dont-know-what-to-say-navigating-grief-conversations-with-grace-with-cheri-fletcher-ep-224\/speaking-2026\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dorisswift.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/05\/Speaking-2026.jpg?fit=1536%2C2048&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1536,2048\" 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