a feature article<\/a> I was working on for The Guardian newspaper. I had seen so much bad news about Oklahoma, where I grew up. It had fallen to the very bottom of education funding, and risen to the very top in levels of incarceration. I started to think of it like a failing state. After I wrote that article, it became clear to me that the next step was to understand how it got that way. How is it possible that a place that is so wealthy \u2013 it sits on one of the richest oil deposits in the world, it used to be known as the oil capital of the world \u2013 can have so many miserable social and health indicators?<\/span><\/p>\nBackStory:<\/b> In the book you have a lot of really fascinating anecdotes or broader stories, and I\u2019m curious how those came to your attention, and how you incorporated those into your writing?<\/span><\/p>\nCobb: <\/strong>I have a wealth of experience growing up in Oklahoma and visiting a lot. It wasn\u2019t just that I grew up, I had generations and generations of family in Oklahoma, back to the beginning of the land run. That was the real beginning of the white settlement of what used to be known as Indian Territory. I have family that were rural, poorer Oklahomans, and a lot of them left during the Great Depression. I also have a wealthier side of the family that was connected to the oil boom of the 1910s and 1920s.<\/span><\/p>\nSo I took an approach of doing a history through a personal lens. I would think about a lot of these things that I grew up with and stories I heard, and try to push them a little bit further. To push them beyond the idea of lore, or family tradition, or just stories that you hear. What really became shocking is how much of it was either covered up, couched in lies, or misstated, and that gave me a broader window into a lot of issues that I hadn\u2019t taken seriously before.<\/span><\/p>\n![\"Workers](\"https:\/\/backstoryradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/12\/2020\/06\/Gusher_Okemah_OK_1922.jpg\")
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Oil well gusher in 1922 \u2014 Okemah, Oklahoma.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
BackStory:<\/b> We received a question from one of our BookStory readers, Stephanie Pounds. She is curious about the balance that you struck between writing a personal memoir and a history. Were there any challenges that you faced here? Were there any advantages to this approach?<\/span><\/p>\nCobb:<\/b> I\u2019m not a historian by training, I\u2019m part journalist and part literary critic by training. Years ago, I started to work on a memoir and the people who read it went, \u201cThere\u2019s some really weird stuff in here that just doesn\u2019t make sense to me. Can you tell me more about that?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nA lot of it is about oil and land swindles and things that I hadn\u2019t really considered would be interesting to anyone else. I thought people would think, \u201cOh yeah, of course your great-grandparents made a fortune in oil, and then completely lost it, and killed themselves. Isn\u2019t that the way it goes with everybody?\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThe methodology, if I can put it that way, is, \u201cOkay, here are some things that people talk about, and that I\u2019ve heard a lot about. Let\u2019s see how far we can push that. Let\u2019s take a documentary approach to it. What kind of documents can you find, and where is the real truth?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nHere\u2019s a good example. My wife is from the Bay Area of California, from a liberal background. I was telling her about how in grade school in Oklahoma, we always had a Land Run day to mark the creation of the state of Oklahoma. It gets recreated all the time. A girl named Miss Indian Territory is wedded to a boy named Mr. Oklahoma. There\u2019s a whole speech that\u2019s pronounced where the girl, a beauteous maiden endowed with natural abundance, is going to be wed to an industrious young man who\u2019s going to bring civilization.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThis is a serious affair. People do it at the historical society, they recreate it at the Capitol, they do it in grade schools. My wife went, \u201cThat\u2019s crazy. That\u2019s celebrating an illegal invasion.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nAnd I thought, \u201cYeah, it\u2019s pretty weird. You\u2019re right.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nBackStory:<\/b> This book is such a tangle of different themes, and mythologies. It\u2019s difficult to\u00a0 establish what is true and what\u2019s false. What\u2019s folklore and what\u2019s fact. A major theme is the idea of the history of Oklahoma as a swindle. You describe the taking of the land from the native populations, and stealing the oil from them and from the earth with all of these dishonest machinations.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nBut it also seems like a swindle of the state\u2019s history itself. How the actual events of the past are often intentionally hidden from the present observer, and how Oklahomans have propped up a false narrative of their own history.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n![\"Settlers](\"https:\/\/backstoryradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/12\/2020\/06\/lossy-page1-640px-Land_rush_Okla._Oklahoma_LCCN2014682281.tif_.jpg\")
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Settlers waiting to stake their claims on the unassigned lands.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
Cobb:<\/b> As I say in the very beginning of the book, the state is founded on a swindle. The only reason Oklahoma is Oklahoma is that a treaty was violated that gave the Five Tribes the land, as long as the waters run, and the grass is green. And that was just the beginning, there were all kinds of promises that were broken.<\/span><\/p>\nThe first settlers, some of them really colorful characters, came in with all of these promises of making cities overnight. Oklahoma City was created overnight by a bunch of illegal land pirates, issuing fake certificates of land to people. They were often arrested, some by federal troops.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThe way that the story is told in the present is to make the ugly side of it look like a victory. To make the Boomers and Sooners into heroes, when really they were outlaws. Then there\u2019s the continuing swindle, which is the political class promising that if we just lower taxes and deregulate industry a little bit more, we\u2019re going to be a top 10 state.<\/span><\/p>\nWhen the current governor, Kevin Stitt, was elected in 2018, his big campaign promise was that Oklahoma\u2019s going to become a top 10 state during his administration. It\u2019s widely acknowledged by all these indicators that Oklahoma is somewhere in the bottom 10. Well, how do you categorize that? What empirical data are you using? Stitt offered none. He continues to offer no empirical data, just vague promises of the good times that will happen. And it\u2019s like a snake oil salesman. Just fake promises.<\/span><\/p>\nBackStory:<\/b> It seems like you\u2019re telling another other story, too, of the process of myth-making. How the US has told myths about itself, especially with the American West.<\/span><\/p>\nCobb:<\/b> That\u2019s definitely a place where this story links up with a broader story of the American West. Manifest Destiny, and the conquests of the wilderness, overlooking all the different peoples that were there, the violence that it implies, and the continuing injustices that were created by that original trauma.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nBut the myths that spring up around oil men in particular are fascinating. There\u2019s some real skullduggery going on that is every bit as fascinating and crazy as a movie like There Will be Blood, or the novel it\u2019s based on. In the end they didn\u2019t need to fictionalize it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nBackStory:<\/b> It\u2019s incredible how powerful an economic driving force oil has been in Oklahoma\u2019s history.<\/span><\/p>\nCobb:<\/b> The more I researched it, the more I found that you can\u2019t understand Oklahoma\u2019s past and where it went wrong without understanding the oil industry.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nMost of the oil in Oklahoma was found on what happened to be part of the allotted Indian Territory. Before it became Oklahoma it was Indian Territory, and the federal government parceled out tracts of land and gave the best tracts to the most well-connected and whitest passing people. That\u2019s river bottoms, black soil. Then they gave the remaining land to the Native peoples, even those who didn\u2019t want an allotment.<\/span><\/p>\nThat land happens to be on an oil field called The Cushing Dome. Readers may have heard of Cushing because to this day it is the place where the price of oil is set on the New York Mercantile Exchange.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n![\"Map](\"https:\/\/backstoryradio.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/12\/2020\/06\/998px-Oklahoma1885.jpg\")
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Map of Indian Territory (Oklahoma) 1888 from Britannica 9th ed.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
BackStory:<\/b> I want to bring up another major idea you have laced throughout the book, which is this question of identity and racial codes. You talk about the \u201cwannabe tribe,\u201d and the complexity of claiming native ancestry. You also share your own personal story, and describe how between the eighties and nineties people didn\u2019t want to be Native American, and then suddenly everybody\u2026<\/span><\/p>\nCobb:<\/b> \u2026wanted to be Native American. I could have written a whole book on that. It\u2019s so tricky and it\u2019s also so current. I remember growing up with that commercial of the crying Indian, Iron Eyes Cody, where he\u2019s canoeing down the stream.<\/span><\/p>\nHe sees the pollution and somebody throws a piece of garbage at his feet. The narrator comes on and is like, \u201cSome people have an abiding respect for the beauty that is the United States. Some people don\u2019t.\u201d And then he sheds that tear.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nI was writing for an Oklahoma magazine and they asked me to find out more about Iron Eyes Cody. It didn\u2019t take long to figure out that Iron Eyes Cody was a fraud. He was an Italian immigrant from Louisiana who was mistaken for a Native American and then realized if he played his cards correctly, he could leverage that into success in Hollywood.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nGrowing up in Oklahoma, the native influence is extremely important. My grandmother\u2019s partner was Choctaw. I just assumed that I was part Native American. I would unthinkingly repeat stories like that. So many people claim very slight Native American ancestry.<\/span><\/p>\nMy research brought me to a pretty negative view of that. It\u2019s not an indictment of those people, but the historical context for it is not positive. It\u2019s not something that is innocent.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nIt goes back to the swindling of land of the tribes in the South, in the 1820s and 30s, and then later on in Oklahoma. In many cases, when they were allotting lands, if you could claim Native ancestry you could get free land. There are many, many instances of people buying their way onto tribal rolls, or finding some sort of a way of fraudulently getting on there.<\/span><\/p>\nThey never had any intent of becoming a part of the community, of going to ceremony, of preserving the language, anything like that. It was purely a way to gain access to the land for fraudulent purposes. And the flip side of that is that many people who were a native \u201cby blood\u201d were kicked off tribal rolls. A lot of people whose ancestry was clearly native were kicked off. And a lot of people who were clearly not native at all were included on there.<\/span><\/p>\nSo I certainly don\u2019t claim ancestry anymore. I think a lot of people do so in the way I used to do it, not innocently, but at least they don\u2019t really know what they\u2019re saying. There\u2019s probably a reason they claim that. And it probably had to do with taking part in a fraud.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0<\/p>\n
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Russell Cobb\u00a0is an associate professor in Latin American studies and creative writing at the University of Alberta. His nonfiction writing has won many national and regional awards. He is the editor of\u00a0The Paradox of Authenticity in a Globalized World<\/i>\u00a0and the reporter of the\u00a0This American Life<\/i>\u00a0story that served as the basis for the Netflix film\u00a0Come Sunday<\/i>. His journalism has appeared in the\u00a0New York Times<\/i>, the\u00a0Guardian<\/i>,\u00a0Slate<\/i>, and the\u00a0Nation<\/i>, and on NPR.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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