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Chris Hedges speaks about the Middle East with a certitude conferred by firsthand reporting that\u2019s hard to dismiss, given his credentials as a former New York Times<\/em> Middle East bureau chief and combat correspondent who has been bearing witness in the region and beyond for decades. The impassioned discourse of Hedges, an ordained Presbyterian minister, is imbued with a sense of moral clarity similar to that of abolitionists such as John Brown, whose anti-slavery jeremiads<\/a> drew from Christian liberation theology<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Hundreds came to hear Hedges speak on May 31 at a sold-out fundraiser for KPFK, Los Angeles\u2019s Pacifica radio station, at the Iman Cultural Center, a gathering place created by the city\u2019s Iranian and Muslim community. Hedges had recently returned from Egypt, where he was interviewing Palestinians from Gaza who fled the Israeli invasion for an upcoming book. He took the stage in Los Angeles and delivered an hour-long spellbinding sermon about Israel\u2019s continued bombardment of Gaza, which he harrowingly relates in the recently published A Genocide Foretold: Reporting on Survival and Resistance in Occupied Palestine<\/em><\/a> (Seven Stories Press).<\/p>\n

Despite it being the last night of the week-long book tour, Hedges seemed to genuinely relish his interactions with attendees following a question-and-answer session. Perhaps it was balm for the soul of the Pulitzer Prize-winner, who was rather infamously heckled and interrupted for criticizing the Iraq War during his commencement speech<\/a> at Illinois\u2019s Rockford College in 2003. The New York Times<\/em> went on to formally reprimand<\/a> its onetime\u00a0Middle East Bureau Chief\u00a0for his public remarks.<\/p>\n

The Progressive <\/em>spoke to Hedges at the Iman Cultural Center about his new book, the weaponization of antisemitism, and his call for radical civil disobedience. This interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: Tell us about your new book.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Chris Hedges: <\/strong>I\u2019ve done quite a bit of writing on the genocide since October 7. And Seven Stories Press wanted me to put together a book.<\/p>\n

Of course, I spent seven years in the Middle East; I was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times<\/em>. I\u2019m an Arabic speaker. Because of that I spent significant time in Gaza. I lived in Gaza for months at a time. I know a lot of Palestinians from Gaza, a lot of friends, some of whom have died. Most of whom have disappeared. We would hear from them sporadically, then we\u2019d just stop hearing from them. So, it\u2019s a very personal issue for me. I understand the region, I understand the long conflict between Israel and Palestine. It\u2019s antecedents, it\u2019s history. I tried to put all of that together to give the genocide context.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: You speak very authoritatively [on the topic] because of that background. It\u2019s hard to refute what you\u2019re saying.<\/strong>\u00a0<\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s factually based. I mean, I was there. I covered it; I know it. I understand the history that led to October 7. I\u2019m well aware of the long provocations carried out by Israel against the Palestinians, including the sealing off<\/a> of Gaza since 2006. Turning it into a vast concentration camp that led to the eruption, or what Norman Finkelstein correctly calls<\/a> \u201ca slave revolt,\u201d by the Palestinians who were trapped inside. Many of the people who burst through the security barriers [on October 7] had never been out of Gaza their entire life.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: Do you see any way out of this morass? Is there any solution?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>The solution is that we have to stop arming Israel. If we don\u2019t stop arming Israel, they\u2019ll be able to complete their genocidal project.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: What is \u201ctheir genocidal project\u201d?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>Well, they\u2019re trying to completely depopulate all of the Palestinians from Gaza. And if they are able to succeed in driving the Palestinians out of Gaza, they will turn on the West Bank. They would like to take all of the land\u2014they would like to \u201cJudaize\u201d all of the land<\/a> of historic Palestine.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: How do you explain the treatment of Palestinians by the government of Israel when the Jewish people themselves had suffered so many years of persecution?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>I think the roots of it lie in the classic settler colonial project. If you look, for instance, at how the British behaved in Kenya, when they fought the Mau Mau<\/a>; or the British in India; or the British in Ireland, you will find many, many historical parallels in how colonial settler projects work. Both in terms of dehumanizing the colonized, as well as all of the military tactics that are used to try and repress existence.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: Those who speak out against apartheid, genocide, and the mass murder of children in Gaza are often cynically accused of antisemitism. I\u2019m sure that this type of argument has been leveled against you. What do you think of that framing, and how can people who want peace and an end to the killing reframe the narrative?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>Well, of course, that\u2019s what they attempt to do. I don\u2019t spend a lot of time responding to them. It\u2019s a ridiculous argument. Of course, there\u2019s a significant percentage of Jews who oppose the genocide. And you have these campaigns against people who stand up for Palestinian rights. Let\u2019s take the case of Germany: You have the ancestors of Nazis persecuting<\/a> Jewish Germans who denounce the genocide. That shows you how twisted and perverted all of this has become.<\/p>\n

Certainly, the Trump Administration has very close connections to the far right, many of whom are rabidly antisemitic. The right is not held to account for its antisemitism because this is really broader than an assault against those who stand up for Palestinian rights. It\u2019s an assault on the American left. Antisemitism is just weaponized to achieve that.<\/p>\n

Q: Your father was a Presbyterian minister; you\u2019re also an ordained Presbyterian minister. What does that role look like for you? Do you have a physical place where you conduct services?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>No, I was ordained to work in prisons. So, I teach in a college degree program offered by Rutgers University, and have since 2010. I\u2019ve taught more than 600 students in prison.<\/p>\n

Q: The part of your speech tonight that was most compelling to me was when you said, \u201cI know the killers.\u201d You spoke about \u201cthe snipers.\u201d Tell us about that.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>Well, I covered war for twenty years. I was in a lot of combat. I know the culture of war, which I spent a lot of time writing about in my [2002] book War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning<\/em><\/a>. So, I\u2019m familiar with both the warrior mentality and the aftereffects of war, including the trauma of it. Inevitably [the psychological consequences of being a hitman] hits you\u2014sometimes years later, but it does hit you.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: This is a very human question: How do you sleep?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>I don\u2019t. I mean, since the genocide I don\u2019t sleep. How can I sleep? My friends are dead; my friends are murdered. I was in Sarajevo during the [Serbo-Croation] war [in 1991-1995]\u2014I know what it feels like to be shelled continuously. I haven\u2019t slept, really.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

Q: What do you think of the Trump regime?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>Well, the Trump regime rhetorically is cruder than the Biden regime, but there\u2019s no difference in terms of sustaining and funding the genocide.<\/p>\n

Q: What\u2019s next for you?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>I\u2019ve just come back from Egypt where I\u2019ve been interviewing Palestinians from Gaza with the [Maltese-American] cartoonist Joe Sacco [creator of the graphic journalism books Palestine <\/em>and War on Gaza<\/em>]. We\u2019re trying to get our book finished by October. That\u2019s a huge undertaking. I have to now really shut myself off and devote all of my time to writing and putting together that book with Joe. The goal is to publish it by the beginning of next year [by Fantagraphics].<\/p>\n

Q: What would you like to end on?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedges: <\/strong>The genocide would stop if we, as Americans, shut down the arms shipments to Israel. It\u2019s clear that the ruling parties won\u2019t do it. So, it\u2019s incumbent upon us to do it. That means picketing, obstructing weapons sites where weapons are manufactured that go to Israel. It means going to ports and refusing to load weapon shipments on ships that take them to Israel. If we don\u2019t actively organize to disrupt the flow of weapons to Israel, then I think all of us who covered the Middle East are terrified that Israel\u2019s genocidal project will be allowed to reach its inevitable conclusion, which is the depopulation of Gaza.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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