{"id":271494,"date":"2025-06-03T23:13:48","date_gmt":"2025-06-03T23:13:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/acting\/casting-directors-robert-ulrich-jackie-davies-on-finding-the-boys-self-tape-tips-and-what-makes-an-actor-stand-out\/"},"modified":"2025-06-03T23:13:48","modified_gmt":"2025-06-03T23:13:48","slug":"casting-directors-robert-ulrich-jackie-davies-on-finding-the-boys-self-tape-tips-and-what-makes-an-actor-stand-out","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=271494","title":{"rendered":"Casting Directors Robert Ulrich &#038; Jackie Davies on Finding &#8216;The Boys&#8217;, Self-Tape Tips, and What Makes an Actor Stand Out"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div data-ast-blocks-layout=\"true\" itemprop=\"text\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed alignfull is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"How Robert Ulrich &amp; Jackie Davies Cast The Boys: Self-Tapes, Surprises &amp; Trust\" width=\"840\" height=\"473\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oA1C6KTk1Nw?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<p>When it comes to creating the unforgettable, chaotic world of <em>The Boys<\/em>, it all starts with the cast. And behind every twisted superhero and unhinged villain, are the careful eyes of a casting directors <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyactor.com\/tag\/robert-ulrich\">Robert Ulrich<\/a><\/strong> and <strong>Jackie Davies<\/strong>. In this interview, they share how they helped bring the show\u2019s outrageous characters to life.  <\/p>\n<p>From their thoughts on standout self-tapes to the importance of trust in the audition process, Ulrich and Davies offer a look at what it takes (and took) to land a role in one of television\u2019s boldest shows. They discuss casting challenges, memorable auditions, and what actors can do to stay on a casting director\u2019s radar. This interview has been lightly edited for length and clarity. For the full interview, watch the video above or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@DailyActor\">check out our YouTube page<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is it hard to find actors who are able to play roles that are sort of out there and heightened but still kind of grounded in the reality that the show is in? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think it\u2019s hard at all because the writing is so good and I think it makes it very easy, again, because the writing is so good.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Yeah, I think the only note we usually give is the world is heightened. You can be grounded. You don\u2019t need to push it. \u00a0The things you\u2019re saying and doing are probably crazy but keep it real.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> <strong>Eric Kripke <\/strong>leans to the very real and the very simple more than the broad as far as acting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Actors have always been game to go for it. I don\u2019t think anyone\u2019s too shy when they\u2019re auditioning because they know what they\u2019re getting into. We try and be very clear and give them all the information they need when joining us for one of our crazy roles.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Did any actors completely surprise you and sort of reshape an idea for the character that you originally had going in? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Our two new series regulars from season four, <strong>Susan Hayward <\/strong>and <strong>Valerie Curry<\/strong>, I think both nailed the character. Susan\u2019s Sister Sage was a little more elusive and then seeing her kind of embody it made the role clearer for me at least.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Yeah, I agree with that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> It made it like, \u2018oh, this makes sense.\u2019<\/p>\n<p><strong>Nathan Mitchell, he was originally Black Noir. Did you guys know going into season four that he was going to be the new version of that character? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Yeah, and inkling because of our season three flashback where you see the character out of costume and it wasn\u2019t Nathan. In a way, we were like, \u201cWe never see his face. Why aren\u2019t we using him anyway?\u201d\u00a0 And they\u2019re like, \u201cThere\u2019s plans.\u201d Season four, we kind of knew it was coming, so we were so excited for him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Were you guys able to tell him that and see how happy he was? \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> No, unfortunately. That\u2019s the drag of being a casting director, you don\u2019t. The good part is you don\u2019t share in the sorrow when they don\u2019t get a part, but the bad part is that you don\u2019t really share in that kind of joy, usually. I mean, in the olden days when there was in-person network and studio sessions for series regulars, you would occasionally see the actors when they got the job. Although even that was rare because they often wouldn\u2019t be alerted till later.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Shooting in Toronto, we don\u2019t get to see him as much. I mean, we saw him after he got it in season one and he happened to be in town.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> And we got to meet him and he was awesome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> But otherwise, it\u2019s just us kind of emailing with their agents and them being like, \u201cThey\u2019re having so much fun.\u201d We love to hear that when we get reports like that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Antony Starr and Jesse Usher both said that they thought their initial auditions were terrible. They hated them. Obviously, they weren\u2019t, but what did you guys see in those auditions that stood out? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Well, in Antony\u2019s case, he did it, I believe, from a trailer. He was shooting an indie movie or something and it was just bad quality, not his audition, but the tape was bad quality. So we had to have him do it again.<\/p>\n<p>And he\u2019s just so special. But, even I did not know how genius I think he is in that role, how he would develop.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Jesse, he was shooting a movie too. I think he nailed it, but again, I think with the self-tape and not being there, he just wanted to tweak it just a touch. I think if he was in the room and wasn\u2019t out of town, it would have been a one and done.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Because on the pilot we did all or the majority of in-room auditions, it wasn\u2019t zoom because it was all before COVID.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> I think them not being in the room with Eric and the team probably made them doubt it. But when we all watched it, we knew and we just had to get those right tapes.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignfull size-full\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1280\" height=\"353\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dailyactor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Casting-Directors-Robert-Ulrich-and-Jackie-Davies.jpg\" alt=\"Casting-Directors-Robert-Ulrich-and-Jackie-Davies\" class=\"wp-image-189519\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.dailyactor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Casting-Directors-Robert-Ulrich-and-Jackie-Davies.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/www.dailyactor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Casting-Directors-Robert-Ulrich-and-Jackie-Davies-375x103.jpg 375w, https:\/\/www.dailyactor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Casting-Directors-Robert-Ulrich-and-Jackie-Davies-600x165.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.dailyactor.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Casting-Directors-Robert-Ulrich-and-Jackie-Davies-768x212.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><sup><strong>Casting Directors Robert Ulrich and Jackie Davies<\/strong><\/sup><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>With self-tapes, is life easier for you guys now? Or do you prefer zoom auditions where you can actually talk to the actors and re-direct if they need it? \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> I was so opposed to the whole idea of zoom auditions because to me, my favorite part in those days was interacting with the actors. But what I think that the whole zoom situation has done is allow us to see so many more people and give so many more people opportunities. Because in those days you might bring in six to eight, maybe 10 people per role. So you\u2019d be a little nervous to take chances. Now we\u2019ll see hundreds per role.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> I\u2019m kind of in the same boat. I miss being able to give direction, especially when you see a tape and the actor\u2019s great. Maybe their take wasn\u2019t exactly and depending on the turnaround time, it\u2019s like, do we have time to ask them to go back and tape? You have to communicate it to the reps and then they have to re-tape and then it comes back to you.<\/p>\n<p>So, it\u2019s not just like when you\u2019re in the room, \u201cHey, let\u2019s try it again this way,\u201d and you immediately get it.<\/p>\n<p>But you do get introduced to so many more people. You have time and you can have someone take a risk. I think Zoom\u2019s a nice balance.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, sometimes the tech isn\u2019t perfect, but at least you get to meet with the actors because that\u2019s kind of the best part and getting to know them. And it\u2019s with producers too, when they\u2019re like, \u2018we\u2019re signing all these people to year-long contracts and we\u2019ve never met them in person.\u2019 So, it\u2019s taken trust on everybody\u2019s end to make it work. But we have been.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What\u2019s been the trickiest part for you guys to cast? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s always a tough question. I don\u2019t think this particular show has had any really. I mean, if you ask about other shows, I can tell you the trickiest roles, but this is a show that, first of all, everyone wants to do. And so, we have that luxury of having a lot of wonderful talent, because people love the show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> I think back in the day, maybe Frenchie (<strong>Tomer Capone<\/strong>) was tough because we had to find someone who felt European enough and could do the accent and all that. He was maybe the toughest. But the writing is so good, it\u2019s honestly fun to watch auditions because everyone\u2019s good. It makes our job a little tougher when you have so many people, but it\u2019s fun.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I want to go back to Antony Starr really quick. There are points in the show when he doesn\u2019t say anything and the camera kind of lingers on his face and he goes through like 8 million emotions in like 15 seconds. And it\u2019s just, sometimes I rewind it just to watch that just because it\u2019s so great to watch. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> He is so good.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Just the control he has over like every angle of his face is amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How long, how long had you known him and his work prior to him getting cast? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Very little. <em>Banshee<\/em>, but I barely watched it, I think once or twice. So, his casting was really off his tape. And he wasn\u2019t necessarily the physical type that we were looking for, but he now has conveyed that physical type. But that was all I knew him from, and I don\u2019t think I\u2019d ever auditioned him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>If you guys just totally love an actor, how do you advocate for them to like Eric Kripke or other showrunners, to sort of put them into their head?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Luckily, I\u2019ve worked with Eric now for 20 years, I did <em>Supernatural<\/em>, so there\u2019s a shorthand and there\u2019s a trust that has been built. If I really believe in someone, I\u2019ll text Eric and just say, \u2018this is what I think.\u2019 And Eric is so wonderful and open that he\u2019ll at least take it into consideration. And it may not be ultimately who gets it, but there\u2019s that comfort level, which is something that usually only comes with time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Yeah, it\u2019s definitely trust and communicating with your producers. Because there\u2019s times when they\u2019re like, \u2018well, who do you guys like the most?\u2019 But I think they also know we\u2019re not going to send them someone we don\u2019t believe in 100%.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is there somebody that you guys did this for on the show? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> Oh, I don\u2019t think there\u2019s one on this. I feel like everyone we\u2019ve gotten, everyone\u2019s known that they\u2019re the one.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> It\u2019s been, it\u2019s been very unanimous for the most part, which is wonderful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> When it clicks, it clicks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How can an actor make a strong impression on their self-tape? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> The only thing I ever think an actor should be is prepared. I don\u2019t care how the self tape looks at all, as long as you can hear it and see it.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it\u2019s nice when you get these gorgeous self-tapes that are shot in studios and everything, but it doesn\u2019t make any difference in determining who we send. I don\u2019t care where it\u2019s shot.<\/p>\n<p>I know it\u2019s not easy to do. It\u2019s not easy to have auditions and have to do a self-tape, you may not have the opportunity, maybe you\u2019re on vacation. You just have to do it when and where you can do it.<\/p>\n<p>So, I think it just has to be a self-tape that can hear and see, and then that they\u2019re prepared. That\u2019s all I really look for.<\/p>\n<p>And then again, because the writing\u2019s so good, the talent almost always rises to the occasion. We ended up looking for the people that just pop and that\u2019s something you can\u2019t describe.<\/p>\n<p><strong>For somebody who\u2019s auditioned for you, how can they keep on your radar? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s much more difficult nowadays without offices but I can attest that they do. I get hundreds of emails; my email must be posted everywhere.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> I think we also take really good notes when we watch tapes together. So it\u2019s like, even if they\u2019re not right we take a quick note about what we liked about them and like what they could be right for. So, we\u2019re also keeping track.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> Oh, yeah. We remember people, but what they can do above that is tough and I\u2019m not exactly sure.<\/p>\n<p>There is a new thing that I subscribe to that Seth Colton does, which is <a href=\"https:\/\/industryinbox.com\/\">a thing with digital postcards<\/a> because actors used to send postcards, and I go look at that every week. But I think that it\u2019s more that it\u2019s our knowledge and our memory of people. And like Jackie said, she takes incredible notes.<\/p>\n<p>I always tell people that if you send me to go somewhere, I don\u2019t know the left from right, but I can remember what somebody wore in third grade, so I don\u2019t forget an actor that I like.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> I think we just try and be super organized on our end about who we love and keeping them in mind.<\/p>\n<p>And sometimes in <em>The Boys<\/em>, we don\u2019t have the most roles, because this deep into the season, it\u2019s a lot of recurring, so there\u2019s not a ton of new actors every week.<\/p>\n<p>When actors are like, \u2018Oh, I\u2019ve auditioned for this one 10 times,\u2019 it\u2019s because we like you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> If we keep bringing you back, we\u2019re not doing it to be nice. We believe in your talent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> That is such an important thing because I can remember we did <em>CSI <\/em>and somebody came in so many times and they\u2019re like, \u2018they just must hate me.\u2019 He\u2019d been in 15 times. The 16th time he booked a great part. The casting director is bringing you back because they like you and believe in you. Not like Jackie said, not just to be nice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jackie Davies:<\/strong> We\u2019re not trying to waste your time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Robert Ulrich:<\/strong> We like you if you\u2019re coming back over and over. And then when the role is right and everything is perfect, you\u2019ll get it.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When it comes to creating the unforgettable, chaotic world of The Boys, it all starts with the cast. And behind every twisted superhero and unhinged villain, are the careful eyes of a casting directors Robert Ulrich and Jackie Davies. 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