{"id":268481,"date":"2025-06-02T11:13:04","date_gmt":"2025-06-02T11:13:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/apple-2\/michael-tsai-blog-the-talk-show-live-without-apple\/"},"modified":"2025-06-02T11:13:04","modified_gmt":"2025-06-02T11:13:04","slug":"michael-tsai-blog-the-talk-show-live-without-apple","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=268481","title":{"rendered":"Michael Tsai &#8211; Blog &#8211; The Talk Show Live, Without Apple"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2025\/05\/29\/the-talk-show-live-tickets-2025\">John Gruber<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@daringfireball\/114594235199895818\">Mastodon<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2025\/05\/29\/no-apple-executives-talk-show-live\/\">MacRumors<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=44133985\">Hacker News<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@stroughtonsmith\/114594322645567076\">Steve Troughton-Smith<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2025\/05\/29\/the-talk-show-live-tickets-2025\">\n<p>But in recent years the guests have seemed a bit predictable: senior executives from Apple. This year I again extended my usual invitation to Apple, but, for the first time <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/thetalkshow\/2015\/06\/09\/ep-123\">since 2015<\/a>, they declined.<\/p>\n<p>I think this will make for a fascinating show, but I want to set everyone\u2019s expectations accordingly. I\u2019m invigorated by this.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I think this is actually good for the show. Though I appreciate the opportunity to glean <em>some<\/em> information from the Apple executives, I usually find the live shows frustrating. Gruber wisely avoids wasting time with questions that they obviously won\u2019t answer. But there are also plenty of on-topic, respectfully phrased questions that the executives mostly dodge. They\u2019re just not going to tell us what we (I?) really want to know. Like politicians, they\u2019re too good at staying on message. I think there are more interesting ways of using the time than giving space for talking points that didn\u2019t make it into the keynote. I generally found the live episodes with Cabel Sasser and the ATP guys more entertaining and informative. If <em>I<\/em> were in Gruber\u2019s position the last few years, I would have been thinking: maybe it\u2019s time for something different. But people like watching Federighi, and it would be hard to pass up the opportunity if an Apple SVP wants to participate. Now, problem solved. I can see why he\u2019s invigorated.<\/p>\n<p>I do wonder what the thinking was from Apple\u2019s side. Revenge for <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2025\/03\/something_is_rotten_in_the_state_of_cupertino\">something<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/linked\/2025\/05\/21\/fortnite-returns\">he<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2024\/11\/i_wonder\">wrote<\/a>? Pour encourager les autres? Lack of courage to defend their recent record or future plans, even with a fair interviewer? If I were Apple, I would see The Talk Show as a great <a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@edmn\/114595593650079180\">opportunity<\/a> to mend some fences with the developer community. But maybe Apple doesn\u2019t care about that. Whatever the actual reason, the decision was sure to send a message, and I struggle to see how it could be a good one.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/spyglass.org\/apple-you-cowards\/\">M.G. Siegler<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/spyglass.org\/apple-you-cowards\/\">\n<p>This is wild. Both because they declined \u2013 again, <em>for the first time in a decade<\/em> \u2013 <em>but more so because they have to know the signal it sends in declining<\/em>. At best, it looks like they\u2019re trying to avoid answering any non-staged questions about how things are going. At worst, it looks like they\u2019re freezing Gruber out for a few recently critical posts about the company \u2013 notably, his <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2025\/03\/something_is_rotten_in_the_state_of_cupertino?ref=spyglass.org\">\u201cSomething Is Rotten in the State of Cupertino\u201d<\/a> post about the Apple Intelligence <a href=\"https:\/\/spyglass.org\/apple-is-the-navy\/\">shitshow<\/a> back in March.<\/p>\n<p>Even if that\u2019s not explicitly what Apple is doing here,  they simply must know that\u2019s what it looks like. And it\u2019s just about the worst look imaginable.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/marco.org\/2025\/05\/30\/retreat\">Marco Arment<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@marcoarment\/114597518853560430\">Mastodon<\/a>):<\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"https:\/\/marco.org\/2025\/05\/30\/retreat\">\n<p>No executive ever said something they shouldn\u2019t have (they\u2019re pros), no sensational or negative news stories ever resulted from them, and Apple\u2019s enthusiastic fans and developers felt seen, heard, and appreciated.<\/p>\n<p>[\u2026]<\/p>\n<p>In the absence of any other information, it\u2019s easy to assume that Apple no longer wants its executives to be interviewed in a human, unscripted, unedited context that may contain hard questions, and that Apple no longer feels it necessary to show their appreciation to our community and developers in this way.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>See also: <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2025\/05\/15_years_later_very_insightful_and_not_negative\">15 Years Later: \u2018Very Insightful and Not Negative\u2019<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Previously:<\/p>\n<p class=\"tags\"><a rel=\"tag\" href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/tag\/apple\/\">Apple<\/a> <a rel=\"tag\" href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/tag\/ios\/\">iOS<\/a> <a rel=\"tag\" href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/tag\/mac\/\">Mac<\/a> <a rel=\"tag\" href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/tag\/media\/\">The Media<\/a> <a rel=\"tag\" href=\"https:\/\/mjtsai.com\/blog\/tag\/wwdc\/\">WWDC<\/a><\/p>\n<h2><a id=\"respond\"><\/a><br \/>\n14 Comments<br \/>\n <\/h2>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<hr class=\"com-hr\" \/>\n<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>John Gruber (Mastodon, MacRumors, Hacker News, Steve Troughton-Smith): But in recent years the guests have seemed a bit predictable: senior executives from Apple. This year I again extended my usual invitation to Apple, but, for the first time since 2015, they declined. I think this will make for a fascinating show, but I want to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11768],"tags":[1332,3767,4903,1823,2443,3061,17088],"dealstore":[],"offerexpiration":[],"class_list":["post-268481","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-apple-2","tag-apple","tag-blog","tag-live","tag-michael","tag-show","tag-talk","tag-tsai"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Michael Tsai - Blog - The Talk Show Live, Without Apple - Som2ny Network<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=268481\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Michael Tsai - Blog - The Talk Show Live, Without Apple - Som2ny Network\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"John Gruber (Mastodon, MacRumors, Hacker News, Steve Troughton-Smith): But in recent years the guests have seemed a bit predictable: senior executives from Apple. 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