{"id":26237,"date":"2025-01-13T19:00:13","date_gmt":"2025-01-13T19:00:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/angel-investor\/the-critical-difference-between-pre-and-post-money-valuations-pitching-angels\/"},"modified":"2025-01-13T19:00:13","modified_gmt":"2025-01-13T19:00:13","slug":"the-critical-difference-between-pre-and-post-money-valuations-pitching-angels","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=26237","title":{"rendered":"The Critical Difference Between Pre- and Post-Money Valuations \u2013 Pitching Angels"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"cdf5\">Here\u2019s why no serious investor will consider your pre-money SAFE<\/h2>\n<p>You\u2019ve pitched to my group of 100 angel investors.\u00a0We\u2019re impressed with your product, your team, your presentation. You get to the last slide and ask us to invest $1M in your SAFE with a $10M valuation cap.<\/p>\n<p id=\"d347\">Hands go up around the room. First question: \u201cIs that $10M pre or post?\u201d<\/p>\n<p id=\"c0ba\">You fumble. You don\u2019t know. You promise to check with your lawyer or your accountant or your CFO and get back to us.<\/p>\n<p id=\"33fd\">Nobody will tell you this, but sorry, you just failed. We\u2019ll ask more questions in the time allotted to Q&amp;A, listen politely to your answers, and later inform you that sorry, there wasn\u2019t enough interest from our group but we wish you great success.<\/p>\n<p id=\"9214\">What just happened?<\/p>\n<p id=\"d43a\">There are 2 kinds of SAFEs: the pre-money and post-money SAFE. (There\u2019s also the discount-only SAFE, but that\u2019s such a non-starter it isn\u2019t even in the conversation.)\u00a0The only thing worse than using the wrong one (pre-money SAFE) instead of the right one (post-money SAFE) is not knowing the difference.<\/p>\n<p id=\"4a0f\">There\u2019s only a minor variation the wording between the two different types of SAFE, but a world of difference in what the investor is getting.\u00a0The post-money SAFE is a good instrument for early-stage investment; the pre-money SAFE is avoided by serious investors.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"c162\">The Difference Between Pre-Money and Post-Money Valuations<\/h3>\n<p id=\"0d31\">The calculation to convert between pre and post-money valuations seems trivially simple:<\/p>\n<p id=\"507e\"><strong><em>Post-Money Valuation = Pre-Money Valuation + Money Invested<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p id=\"407b\">If you raise $1M on a $10M pre-money valuation, the post-money valuation is $11M.<\/p>\n<p id=\"3b55\">Simple? Sure seems that way. Even dumb investors ought to be able to do the arithmetic. We shouldn\u2019t care whether the investment is framed as pre or post-money. But\u2026this misses the most critical point.<\/p>\n<p id=\"e4df\">The post-money valuation is the pre-money valuation plus\u00a0<strong>ALL\u00a0<\/strong>investment prior to the conversion of the SAFE to preferred shares.<\/p>\n<p id=\"96c2\">If you only have 1 round of SAFEs prior to Series A, then the calculation is indeed simple: $10M pre + $1M SAFE = $11M post when I receive my shares.<\/p>\n<p id=\"d244\">But let\u2019s say you previously raised $1M in a friends and family round.\u00a0Now that post-money valuation isn\u2019t $11M but $12M. Oh, don\u2019t forget the strategic investor that put in another $1M on a convertible note.\u00a0Now the post-money valuation is $13M. Hmm.<\/p>\n<p id=\"f212\">But I could live with that. You can tell me the total amount you\u2019ve raised to date.\u00a0Here\u2019s the real problem: the post-money valuation also includes all the money you\u2019ll raise in\u00a0<em>future\u00a0<\/em>rounds prior to issuing preferred shares.\u00a0And the future is unknown even if you claim to have a inviolate, foolproof plan.\u00a0Meaning the price I\u2019m paying to invest in your startup is\u00a0unknown.<\/p>\n<p id=\"50b5\">If your next round is a priced round (issuing preferred shares at a set price per share), then I get my shares at the expected $13M valuation. Great.<\/p>\n<p id=\"5682\">However, if you raise a seed round of $4M on a SAFE or convertible note, the price I pay for my shares goes up to $17M. Another $3M bridge round? The meter is still running, now to $20M.<\/p>\n<p id=\"9a62\">The shares I thought I was buying at a $10M valuation end up actually costing me $20M. Would I have invested in the company at a $20M valuation? Probably not.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"fad7\">Why Does the Pre-Money SAFE Even Exist?<\/h3>\n<p id=\"6b4a\">The original SAFE created by Y-Combinator used a pre-money valuation cap.\u00a0That was a hold-over from the convertible notes everyone was using at the time.<\/p>\n<p id=\"13f7\">The convertible note uses a pre-money valuation because the document was repurposed from its original use for large loans by private equity to public companies. In that context, a pre-money valuation makes sense.<\/p>\n<p id=\"dc85\">The pre-money valuation was fine for an accelerator, but investors balked at using it. So in 2018, YC updated the original SAFE with v1.1, switching to a post-money valuation cap that investors found much more attractive.<\/p>\n<p id=\"6275\">The most recent\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/carta.com\/blog\/state-of-pre-seed-q1-2024\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">data from Carta<\/a>\u00a0shows that 81% of SAFEs are post-money, 14% pre-money, and 5% with no valuation cap. Among my investment groups, pre-money or uncapped valuations are non-starters.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"7bca\">Why Is a Pre-Money Convertible Note Okay and a Pre-Money SAFE Not?<\/h3>\n<p id=\"31ec\">The Carta data also shows that 15% of pre-seed\/seed deals use convertible notes with a pre-money valuation cap.\u00a0My investment groups will accept a pre-money note, but not a pre-money SAFE. This sounds contradictory, but it\u2019s not.<\/p>\n<p id=\"6c94\">The key difference is that a convertible note has a maturity date, typically 12\u201324 months. That means the startup has only 18 months or so to raise a priced round or has to pay back the full amount of the investment or declare bankruptcy. The clock is ticking.<\/p>\n<p id=\"a80c\">It\u2019s pretty unlikely that the startup will raise this round, another large round on SAFEs or convertible notes, and still raise a priced round within 18 months when the note matures. So I\u2019m comfortable that I have a reasonable handle on what my equity will cost when the note converts.<\/p>\n<p id=\"e267\">In addition, almost all convertible notes also include a 20% discount off the priced round price, and pay 8% interest on the time until conversion, giving some additional benefit to being an early investor. As long as the maturity is under 2 years, I can live with a pre-money valuation cap.<\/p>\n<p id=\"c1c4\">In contrast, the SAFE has no maturity date. The startup might raise a priced round in 12 months, in which case the post-money valuation is what I expected when I invested, or it might not convert for 10 years after 5 more rounds of SAFEs and convertible notes.\u00a0The valuation has gone up year after year, and so has the price I\u2019ll pay when my SAFE converts to equity.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"f843\">Key Takeaways<\/h3>\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>If you want investment from experienced investors, the post-money SAFE, convertible note, or preferred shares are the only viable options.\u00a0Don\u2019t waste your time proposing a pre-money SAFE, uncapped SAFE or convertible note, or common shares.<a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@dcpalter?source=post_page---byline--e52aae20ff62--------------------------------\"\/><\/li>\n<li>Gotta understand the terms you\u2019re offering when talking to investors. Be prepared to defend them.<\/li>\n<li>Post-money valuation = pre-money valuation + ALL investment prior to conversion<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p>The startup, S\u00fcprD\u00fcpr, has already raised $400M in venture capital. But is it a good investment? That depends on whether their technology works, and whether it\u2019s killing their users. Find out in my award-winning Silicon Valley novel,\u00a0<em>To Kill a Unicorn<\/em>. 4.8 stars on Amazon!<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-amazon wp-block-embed-amazon\"\/><\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here\u2019s why no serious investor will consider your pre-money SAFE You\u2019ve pitched to my group of 100 angel investors.\u00a0We\u2019re impressed with your product, your team, your presentation. You get to the last slide and ask us to invest $1M in your SAFE with a $10M valuation cap. Hands go up around the room. 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