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Joe Rogan recently sat down with Dr. Suzanne Humphries, co-author of \u201cDissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History,\u201d one of my favorite books on vaccines.1<\/span><\/sup>\u00a0I previously\u00a0interviewed Humphries<\/a>\u00a0about how vaccine science has been misrepresented to portray them as safe and effective, when in reality they\u2019re neither.<\/p>\n She absolutely crushed it in this Rogan interview! I honestly don\u2019t think anyone in history has laid out such a clear, convincing, and downright compelling case about the vaccine downsides. After decades of grinding away, her hard work\u2019s finally getting the spotlight it deserves, and I\u2019m beyond thrilled to have written the forward to her fantastic book.<\/p>\n Rogan also asked Humphries questions about the history, science and real impact of vaccines, and she didn\u2019t hold back with her answers. Their conversation challenges conventional narratives about vaccines, explores the efficacy of natural remedies and uncovers an important history of medicine that is often overlooked.<\/p>\n Rogan opens the episode by emphasizing a key principle: avoiding dogma. \u201cYou can\u2019t be dogmatic when you\u2019re talking about vaccines \u2014 or about anything,\u201d he says, advocating for a flexible, 360-degree perspective rather than the tunnel vision often fostered by indoctrination. Humphries agrees, noting that intentional and profitable indoctrination has shaped public perception of medical practices.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Beneficial practices are often unfairly dismissed \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0Rogan praises \u201cDissolving Illusions\u201d for highlighting the use of natural remedies like cinnamon, which are often discredited as \u201chippie nonsense.\u201d Humphries explains that cinnamon, a powerful herb, contains significant vitamin C, a nutrient she believes underpinned the effectiveness of many traditional remedies.<\/p>\n She recalls dismissing such ideas early in her career, only to later recognize their value. Garlic, too, emerges as a standout, effective against staph infections without fostering drug resistance \u2014 a stark contrast to engineered pharmaceuticals.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>This shift in perspective \u2014 from skepticism to appreciation \u2014 mirrors a broader theme \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0The conventional medical establishment has a tendency to reject natural solutions in favor of standardized, profitable interventions. Humphries argues that doctors should recommend these remedies alongside conventional treatments, citing, for example,\u00a0vitamin D<\/a>\u00a0and vitamin A as important yet underutilized tools.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n The conversation pivots to a striking revelation about the\u00a0measles vaccine<\/a>. Humphries explains that both natural measles infection and the vaccine deplete vitamin A levels in the body. \u201cThey don\u2019t tell you that,\u201d she says, noting that post-vaccination advice often only recommends Tylenol, which she notes impairs immune response and causes \u201cimmunological disturbances.\u201d<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>The medical system prioritizes standardized procedures over holistic care \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0This vitamin A depletion, Humphries argues, should prompt vitamin A supplementation to be recommended along with the measles shot, but this advice is absent from standard protocols. This point underscores a recurring critique of the medical system focusing on disease care instead of health care.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Variability in vaccine production contributes to inconsistent outcomes \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0This problem is made worse by legal immunity granted to vaccine manufacturers. Rogan probes this further, asking if the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which shields\u00a0vaccine companies<\/a>\u00a0from lawsuits, fueled this variability.<\/p>\n Humphries traces the precedent to the 1976 swine flu vaccine fiasco, where injuries forced the government to absorb liability, setting the stage for 1986\u2019s broader measure.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Post-1986, vaccine makers prioritized profit over safety \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0They introduced vaccine enhancers, or adjuvants, like\u00a0aluminum<\/a>\u00a0and, eventually,\u00a0mRNA technology<\/a>. The legal protection afforded under the 1986 Act, she contends, allowed companies to prioritize profit over rigorous safety testing, a theme that reverberates throughout their discussion.<\/p>\n Polio remains the poster child for vaccine success, but Humphries challenges this narrative with a detailed historical analysis. Rogan asks what caused polio\u2019s decline, questioning the vaccine\u2019s role. Humphries responds that the facts don\u2019t align with popular belief. \u201cPolio is still here,\u201d she asserts, rebranded as conditions like Guillain-Barr\u00e9 syndrome \u2014 diagnostic criteria shifted post-vaccine to mask its persistence.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Environmental factors \u2014 pesticides like DDT, arsenic and lead \u2014 are primary culprits \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0DDT production, she notes, mirrored polio outbreaks, with rural communities exposed through livestock dipping and crop spraying. \u201cArsenic causes the exact same spinal pathology,\u201d she says, citing medical references that link these toxins to symptoms attributed to polio.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Up to 95% to 99% of polio cases are asymptomatic \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0This suggests it\u2019s a virus naturally present and benign in healthy individuals. Humphries cites a study of the Xavante Indians in South America, where nearly all tested had immunity to polio strains without paralysis, implying robust natural immunity negated its threat.<\/p>\n Rogan marvels at this, pointing out that viruses often weaken on their own and become less harmful over time \u2014 yet human interventions, like the 1916 Rockefeller lab\u2019s engineered polio strain, made it more deadly.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>The threat of\u00a0vaccine-derived polio<\/a>\u00a0\u2014<\/strong>\u00a0This is particularly related to oral vaccines still used in India and Israel. These live strains, she says, caused more paralytic cases than they prevented in early trials, a fact obscured by redefined diagnostics and propaganda. This complexity dismantles the simplistic \u201cvaccine eradicated polio\u201d story, pointing instead to sanitation, nutrition and reduced toxin exposure as key drivers of its decline.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Smallpox, another supposed vaccine triumph, faces similar scrutiny. Humphries describes its vaccine as a crude concoction of animal pus \u2014 often from cows, horses or cadavers \u2014 mixed with glycerin and dubbed \u201cpure lymph.\u201d<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Far from pure, these vaccines harbored bacteria and fungi \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0Contamination persisted into the 20th century. Rogan is incredulous: \u201cCan you believe that fairy tale?\u201d he asks, as Humphries details how these vaccines spread disease, including tuberculosis, a side effect she dubs \u201cthe white plague.\u201d<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Public health conditions amplified smallpox\u2019s toll \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0Rogan paints a vivid picture: streets awash with feces, no running water and rampant malnutrition. Humphries agrees, noting that in the late 1600s, smallpox was \u201cone of the easiest diseases to treat\u201d with supportive care. The Industrial Revolution worsened conditions, cramming people into filthy slums where disease thrived.<\/p>\n Death rates, she argues, plummeted not due to vaccines but alongside improvements in water, shelter and labor laws. Death rates from conditions like diarrhea, which had no vaccine, also declined during this time.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Doctors of the era often worsened outcomes with toxic treatments \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0Mercury, arsenic and bloodletting were prescribed until vomiting or diarrhea ensued. These \u201cpurges,\u201d meant to expel illness, instead debilitated patients. Yet, natural remedies like apple cider vinegar showed promise, with historical reports of doctors using it to prevent smallpox infection \u2014 a practice echoing its modern resurgence for gut health.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n The dismissal of natural remedies frustrates both Rogan and Humphries. \u201cThe hippies seem to have got it right,\u201d Rogan quips. Humphries recounts treating tetanus \u2014 a vaccine-targeted disease \u2014 with vitamin C and wound care, achieving better outcomes than in vaccinated cases. Studies, she says, show vitamin C prevents tetanus in rabbits if administered early, challenging the vaccine\u2019s necessity.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Breast milk emerges as a nutritional powerhouse \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0This food is rich in stem cells, immune factors and memory T-cells that confer cellular immunity. Humphries laments its\u00a0replacement by formula<\/a>, a profitable industry that downplays these benefits. Rogan agrees, decrying the arrogance of assuming artificial substitutes match nature\u2019s design.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Vitamins A, D and C recur as unsung heroes \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0Humphries ties vitamin A deficiency to vaccine side effects, vitamin D to immune resilience and vitamin C deficiency to hospital-acquired scurvy and more. \u201cMost people are walking around with subclinical scurvy,\u201d she warns, worsened by stress, smoking and poor diets \u2014 conditions vaccines can\u2019t fix.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n How do contaminants like\u00a0SV40, a cancer-causing monkey virus<\/a>, end up in vaccines? Humphries explains the process: vaccines require living tissue \u2014 rotten meat for tetanus, monkey kidneys for polio, E. coli for COVID-19 mRNA shots.<\/p>\n SV40, harmless in monkeys, infiltrated polio vaccines via\u00a0African green monkey kidneys<\/a>, and remained undetected until Dr. Bernice Eddy flagged it in the 1950s. Eddy\u2019s warnings were ignored and suppressed, and contaminated stocks persisted into the 1990s.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Now transmissible among humans, SV40 enhances cancer-promoting genes \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0It also inhibits cancer-suppressing genes, driving kidney, brain and lung tumors. Humphries links its introduction to rising cancer rates.<\/p>\n Rogan is stunned: \u201cHow could they keep injecting that into people?\u201d Humphries cites suppression \u2014 \u201cany doubts \u2026 must not be allowed to exist\u201d \u2014 and profit motives, noting research into SV40\u2019s long-term effects was axed despite clear correlations.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>COVID shots contain compounds that amplify side effects \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0These effects include blood clots and stem cell loss in placentas. These issues went unreported amid media silence. This opacity, Humphries argues, reflects a system that prioritizes industry over inquiry.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n Humphries\u2019 journey from kidney doctor to advocate began with the 2008-2009 flu vaccine, which she linked to kidney failure in her patients. \u201cWe\u2019re not told to take a vaccine history,\u201d she says, yet patterns emerged. Many patients experienced high blood pressure and dialysis post-vaccination. Her requests to delay shots for chemotherapy patients were rebuffed, sparking her research into polio, smallpox and beyond.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Humphries went on to co-author \u201cDissolving Illusions\u201d \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0The book was self-published after multiple rejections. The book, now in eight languages, challenges vaccine efficacy with statistics showing death rates dropped before widespread vaccination, driven by improved sanitation and nutrition. Threats followed, but she remains undeterred, determined to spread the word.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>Rogan, once a vaccine advocate, credits Humphries\u2019 book with shattering his illusions \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cI would have told you vaccines saved us from polio,\u201d he admits, now seeing propaganda\u2019s power. Humphries, meanwhile, urges a return to healing\u2019s roots \u2014 nutrition, natural remedies and patient-centered care.<\/p>\n \u2022<\/span>This conversation isn\u2019t anti-science; it\u2019s a call for true science \u2014<\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s time for open, unbiased debate, unshackled from profit and dogma. Humphries invites us to question, explore and reclaim health through knowledge, not blind trust. For more, visit\u00a0dissolvingillusions.com<\/a>, where Humphries\u2019 work continues to challenge and enlighten.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\nThe Polio Paradox \u2014 Vaccines or Sanitation?<\/h4>\n
Smallpox \u2014 A Tale of Sanitation and Suffering<\/h4>\n
Natural Remedies Reclaimed<\/h4>\n
The Dark Side of Vaccine Production<\/h4>\n
A Doctor\u2019s Awakening<\/h4>\n