{"id":244009,"date":"2025-05-16T07:32:52","date_gmt":"2025-05-16T07:32:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/aerospace\/ceo-anko-van-der-werff-on-realigning-sas\/"},"modified":"2025-05-16T07:32:52","modified_gmt":"2025-05-16T07:32:52","slug":"ceo-anko-van-der-werff-on-realigning-sas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=244009","title":{"rendered":"CEO Anko van der Werff on realigning SAS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>In September 2024, Scandinavian Airlines, most commonly referred to as SAS, gathered staff, members of the media and partners at a venue on the outskirts of Copenhagen to mark the successful completion of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/sas-marks-skyteam-accession-with-new-routes-products-and-partnerships\" title=\"\">one of the most momentous shifts in its decades-long history<\/a>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The Nordic carrier had not only exited a complex and life-saving restructuring process but had done so while performing one of the most radical realignments of any major airline in recent years, switching from Star Alliance to the competing SkyTeam airline alliance.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And at the helm of SAS during this eventful period, was Anko van der Werff, the Dutch aviation executive who joined the Scandinavian carrier as President and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) in 2021.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<aside class=\"article-leaderboard bn-1\"\/>\n<p>Prior to his move to Scandinavia, Van der Werff had held senior management positions at several major carriers, including CEO at Colombian carrier Avianca, Chief Commercial Officer (CCO) at Aeromexico, and Senior Vice President of Pricing and Revenue Management at Qatar Airways as well as several regional directorships at KLM, the flag carrier of his home country.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Throughout his time at these positions, van der Werff established a reputation for strategic thinking and operational excellence in challenging aviation markets, demonstrating particular skill in airline turnarounds and commercial transformations.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As the first anniversary of SAS joining the SkyTeam alliance approaches, AeroTime spoke with Van der Werff about what this pivotal change has meant for the historical airline and what\u2019s in store for the future.\u00a0<\/p>\n<aside class=\"article-leaderboard bn-2\"\/>\n<p>The conversation began with the fundamental question, what is the financial situation at SAS restructuring?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAs a short answer: it is much, much better. There have clearly<strong> <\/strong>been lots of improvements. We have come out with a significant number of changes when it comes to who SAS used to be and who SAS is today, not least the fact that we have new owners,\u201d van der Werff said, referring to the change in the airline\u2019s capital structure.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The airline executive also highlighted the advantages offered by each new major investor: the business orientation <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/sas-restructures-its-capital-joins-air-france-klm-orbit\" title=\"\">of private equity firm Castlelake<\/a>, the presence of the Danish state, which anchors SAS in its Scandinavian home, and finally, Air France-KLM, which now owns 19.9% of SAS. The latter is particularly strategic for SAS since it links the carrier to one of Europe\u2019s largest airline groups at a time of growing consolidation in the industry.\u00a0<\/p>\n<aside class=\"article-leaderboard bn-3\"\/>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Scandinavian Airlines CEO Anko van der Werff 2\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" src=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-1200x800.jpg\" alt=\"Anko van der Werff SAS CEO\" class=\"wp-image-121442\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-380x253.jpg 380w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-800x533.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-1160x773.jpg 1160w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-760x507.jpg 760w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-1600x1067.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2-600x400.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2025\/05\/Scandinavian-Airlines_CEO_Anko-van-der-Werff_2.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Anko van der Werff. Picture: SAS<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u201cThis [change of ownership] sets up so many different things for the company,\u201da van der Werff explained. \u201cDifferent owners mean a different board. It means different views on how to run the business, what do we think is important\u2026and this gets reflected within the company.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Next, van der Werff went on to comment on the airline\u2019s improved performance over the last few months.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cLoad factor is at an all-time high, which is good, because I think it was low. But we\u2019re getting to at least levels that I\u2019m more comfortable with. That has a very positive impact on ancillary revenues, since the more passengers we have, of course, the more we drive ancillary streams. So, yeah, there\u2019s a lot to like at the moment.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Van der Werff also referred to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/sas-officially-joins-skyteam-airline-alliance\" title=\"\">the rather quick switch from Star Alliance<\/a>, where it was a founding member, to SkyTeam. The swiftness of this move was praised by SkyTeam CEO Patrick Roux in a<s> <\/s>previous <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/skyteam-ceo-patrick-roux-on-the-goal-to-be-the-most-integrated-airline-alliance\" title=\"\">Executive Spotlight interview published on December 11, 2024<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt was a massive change for us after 27 years in Star Alliance,\u201d van der Werff said. \u201cI just have to say that it\u2019s going remarkably well. We had quite some system integration with Star Alliance. We and ended that literally overnight and it went flawlessly.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe had an hour of some boarding group issues at our hubs and that was solved within an hour and a half, which was quite amazing,\u201d he added. \u201cAnd ever since it\u2019s been going extremely well.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Van der Werff stated his satisfaction about how inter-partner traffic flows, the number of tickets that airlines sell on each other\u2019s networks, are already reflecting the new relationship with Air France-KLM.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe already see very solid numbers coming out of the Air France-KLM relationship. In fact, these have now surpassed the ones we had with Lufthansa Group. So, that is also telling! And there is still a path forward and this is the opportunity <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/sas-delta-codeshare-agreement\" title=\"\">to work closer together with Delta Air Lines<\/a>, Air France-KLM and Virgin Atlantic,\u201d he said. \u201cWe have been very clear and outspoken about us wanting to be part of that joint venture at some point in the future.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Here, van der Werff was referring to the joint venture established between these three SkyTeam airlines to manage their transatlantic traffic together.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As a region, Scandinavia is currently covered by these arrangements, but so far SAS is not part of them. So, the Nordic carrier is effectively competing with its partners in these markets.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The Dutch executive noted that customers would benefit from SAS also being party to this joint venture.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA joint venture is really the next level of a codeshare,\u201d he explained. \u201cA codeshare is just literally that you\u2019re able to sell each other\u2019s flights but with a joint venture, you\u2019re able to coordinate on capacity. So rather than having, for instance, two flights leaving at the same time, we can talk to our competitors and say, \u2018Hey, listen, let\u2019s move one of these flights to another time slot\u2019, so with a better spread of the day of your flights, you can increase connectivity on both sides.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>He continued: \u201cWe can offer solutions that are far easier for our customers and do so in a much more unified way. Currently, we cannot do that because we\u2019re competitors.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>However, the continued growth of the transatlantic market seems far from assured. Does vander Werff think traffic numbers reflect simmering political tensions between the United States and Europe and the potential unravelling of the once close relationship between the two sides of the North Atlantic?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019re starting to see things, not so much for spring and summer. That\u2019s holding up, I think, because a lot of those bookings were already in [place]. For the winter season, we see weakness. That is starting to emerge as a theme,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019s definitely impacted [the market], and [it] is not as strong as it was a few weeks and months ago.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Despite geopolitical tensions, which not only include the transatlantic rift, but also Russia\u2019s war in Ukraine [for example, on April 30, 2025, SAS quantified\u00a0 the number of seats lost to the Scandinavian airline market as a consequence of airspace closures to be 1.2 million seats\u2013 ed. note] and the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East, van der Werff remained upbeat about the opportunities brought about by the SkyTeam membership.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe unlock a very unique part of the world. It\u2019s very high up north and some of its destinations are truly remote, but it\u2019s got a population that is eager to travel, with a high GDP per capita, high propensity to travel,\u201d he said. \u201cThese are very strong economies. That is what we bring to the table, to both SkyTeam and possibly, in the future, to a joint venture.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>However, SAS is not the only player in the Scandinavian market. Over the course of the last couple of decades, and despite having faced financial issues of its own, local low-cost airline Norwegian has emerged as a formidable competitor.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>However, van der Werff pointed out some key elements that set the two airlines apart.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere are a few very big differences: we\u2019ve got widebodies, we fly to the US, to Asia. We do cargo on widebodies and long-haul. Again, we\u2019re the ones reintroducing business class on European flights and on long-haul we, of course, had it already. I think there\u2019s a different composition.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"redefining-the-sas-product\" class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Redefining the SAS product<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h2>\n<p>One of the key novelties unveiled by SAS in 2025 has been the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/sas-reintroduces-european-business-class-in-response-to-growing-premium-demand\" title=\"\">reintroduction of a proper business class on its European flights<\/a>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Until recently, SAS had a single cabin on short haul flights and offered its customers the possibility of purchasing some extra elements of service as ancillaries. But now the airline offers a new business class in a dedicated section of the cabin.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>SAS\u2019 new Euro business class cabin will still have six seats abreast, but the middle seat will be blocked, and passengers will also be able to enjoy some differentiated service elements, such as better inflight food. For example, in April 2025, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/sas-relaunches-inflight-dining-experience-with-flavors-of-sas-concept-photos\" title=\"\">the airline unveiled its \u201cSAS Flavours\u201d initiative<\/a> to revamp its inflight catering offering.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But van der Werff was also keen to point out that the new business class product was the result of an internal assessment of market conditions rather than, as some analysts suggested in the media, a request from the airline\u2019s new owners.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt is actually funny because some people think that we\u2019ve done it just because of SkyTeam and that\u2019s simply not true. We made our own assessment and saw there is a willingness to spend on premium products, and until now, we had not been offering one. So, it\u2019s about segmenting the cabin differently. It\u2019s about adding a product that we didn\u2019t have and it\u2019s a product that our competition has, so we want to make sure that we\u2019re on par.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>However, van der Werff did not deny the new premium cabins will facilitate the offering of a more consistent experience to passengers connecting with one of the partner airlines.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe whole SkyTeam move made it easier because there\u2019s the alignment on products. So, when we connect passengers that may be flying one way with SAS over the North Atlantic and then come back via Air France-KLM or connect with Delta, we want to offer a seamless product. But it had already started well before [the move to] SkyTeam. We wanted to do it ourselves because we really believe that the additional product, the segmentation in the cabin, is beneficial to us.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Van der Werff also delved into the role each of the different SAS sub-brands, SAS Connect and SAS Link, fulfill within the company.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>While there is not much difference in terms of passenger experience between SAS and SAS Connect, the regionally focused SAS Link does have some marked particularities, not least of which is that most flights are operated by other airlines under contract.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Van der Werff said: \u201cIt\u2019s very simple. When you look at, for instance, at the wet leases that we have with CityJet and BRA [two airlines that operate regional flights in Scandinavia on behalf of SAS \u2013 ed. note] , those all operate smaller aircraft that we would not have in our own fleet, or that we would even want to have in our own fleet.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe have been looking at ways to simplify our fleet,\u201d he added.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Next, van der Werff commented on fleet strategy and did not mince his words when it came to pointing out the issues SAS is facing, including potential tariffs on engines and aircraft.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOur regional product with SAS Link currently uses Embraer E1s and we have always been quite open about the question of whether we should go to a mid-sized solution, which could be either the Embraer E2s or the Airbus A220. The engine issues have definitely held us back from taking an important decision there,\u201d he explained. \u201cI think at this stage we\u2019d also really need to have a very good look at what the tariffs could be on those aircraft because the engines for both of those aircraft are Pratt &amp; Whitney, coming from the United States. What are the tariffs on those engines going to be?\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe will not pay the tariffs,\u201d he stated. \u201cLet it be very clear that we will not be the ones absorbing that cost.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>What does seem clear is that the new Euro business class will not be offered on SAS Link aircraft, at least not for now.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019ve had long discussions on that. On the (mainline) A320s, we block the middle seat so that everybody has a window or an aisle, but this is already the case on SAS Link.,<s>\u201d<\/s> explained van der Werff.\u00a0<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"but-what-about-the-airlines-long-haul-strategy\" class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>\u201cBut what about the airline\u2019s long-haul strategy?\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h2>\n<p>Next, we touched upon long-haul strategy.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe believe that we are under-indexed on long-haul. We do want to do more on long-haul. In the next 18 months, we are covered. We\u2019ve got two A350s coming in right next year. So, that is already, at least until the summer of 2026. Beyond that, I think we would be looking at an additional number of aircraft, either A330s or A350s that we can deploy in 2027, 2028 or 2029. And then, at some point, not yet as a first step, we really would like to take a decision about the future,\u201d van der Werff said. \u201cAre we going to phase out the A330s and go all A350s? There are some options on the table, but that\u2019s really not for today. For now, we\u2019re really focused on building out what we have before the end of the decade, at least.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>SAS returned 12 aircraft to lessors during its crisis period. Van der Werff confirmed that these are now gone for good, although he is already thinking about the options to reconstitute the fleet over the longer term.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think that was part of the right sizing. We still had some Boeing 737s that were due to leave the fleet in any case. We had old A340s that left the fleet, and we feel very comfortable with where we stand today on that.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Van der Werff referred again to the possibility of adding Embraer E2s or Airbus A220s for certain roles, although this seems to be out of the question in the short term.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWith the number of widebodies that we\u2019re having and with the wet leases we have signed, we don\u2019t need a quick fix. That would really be a medium-term project, not something for the next year or two, then we can really go into something else.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But engine issues and tariffs still loom on the horizon.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe engine has been a stumbling block for many airlines over the last years, and now there are the tariffs, So, I am only going to repeat what I said earlier: we will not be the one absorbing the cost of the tariffs.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>One aircraft that has opened up a number of new opportunities for SAS is the A321LR, here\u2019s what van der Werff said about it:\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe have the A321LRs, and they work really well.<s> <\/s>We can use them in two different ways. Either on new markets or to build frequency from the hubs. For instance, this year, instead of having one widebody going to Newark (EWR), we\u2019re splitting it with the A321LRs: one goes to Newark, the other to (New York) JFK. I also believe we can add a second US destination from Stockholm (ARN). That\u2019s something that we\u2019re looking at.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" title=\"SAS132\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" src=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-106645\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132-380x253.jpg 380w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132-800x533.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132-1160x773.jpg 1160w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132-760x507.jpg 760w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/SAS132-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Angel DiBilio \/ Shutterstock<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The widebodies, van der Werff confirmed, will be based in Copenhagen (CPH), from where the airline plans to launch two destinations: Seattle (SEA) and Seoul (ICN), in May and September 2025, respectively.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd there will be more to come. We have, of course, a list for 2026, 2027 and 2028, when those new A350s come in. North America and Asia remain, of course, the ones that we are primarily looking at. But honestly, once you start building out that hub, and once there is more of a feed, we believe, other things in the world will work.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"on-sas-sustainability-leadership\" class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>On SAS sustainability leadership<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h2>\n<p>\u201cScandinavia is truly focused on nature. I\u2019ve lived in six or seven different countries around the world, and here it is different. In the rest of the world, sustainability is more like a project, but here it is really a way of living,\u201d said van der Werff when commenting on the airline\u2019s multiple investments and partnerships in this space.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>These include sustainable aviation fuel Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF), as well as hydrogen. SAS is also a partner of Airbus ZEROe program and was one of the early backers of Heart Aerospace, a Swedish startup which recently relocated to California, US, and is developing a hybrid-electric regional airliner.\u00a0<\/p>\n<aside class=\"cnvs-block-posts cnvs-block-posts-1747322626559 cnvs-block-posts-layout-horizontal-type-2-read-more\" data-layout=\"horizontal-type-2-read-more\" data-min-height=\"\">&#13;<\/p>\n<div class=\"cs-posts-area\" data-posts-area=\"\">\n<div class=\"cs-posts-area__outer\">\n<div class=\"cs-posts-area__main cs-block-posts-layout-horizontal-type-2-read-more cs-display-column\">\n<article class=\"post-106569 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail category-sustainability tag-heart-aerospace trending_today-trending_today cs-entry cs-video-wrap\">\n<div class=\"cs-entry__outer\" style=\"border-top: 1px solid;border-bottom: 1px solid;padding: 5px 0;\">\n<div class=\"cs-entry__inner cs-entry__thumbnail cs-entry__overlay cs-overlay-ratio cs-ratio-square\">\n<div class=\"cs-overlay-background cs-overlay-transparent\">\n<p>\t\t                        <a class=\"cs-overlay-link\" style=\"position: relative\" href=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/articles\/heart-aerospace-co-founder-and-ceo-on-whats-next-for-pioneering-aircraft-video\" title=\"Heart Aerospace co-founder and CEO on what\u2019s next for pioneering aircraft: video\u00a0\"><br \/>\n                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"80\" height=\"80\" src=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/IMG_1323-80x80.jpg\" class=\"attachment-csco-smaller size-csco-smaller wp-post-image\" alt=\"Anders Forslund Heart Aerospace\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/IMG_1323-80x80.jpg 80w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/IMG_1323-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/IMG_1323-110x110.jpg 110w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/IMG_1323-160x160.jpg 160w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/IMG_1323-220x220.jpg 220w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/2024\/09\/IMG_1323-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 80px) 100vw, 80px\" title=\"Anders Forslund Heart Aerospace\"\/>                    <\/a>\n\t\t<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/article><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&#13;<br \/>\n\t<\/aside>\n<p>\u201cHeart Aerospace fits in[to the airline\u2019s sustainability initiatives] because we think electrical aviation could be interesting on short sectors, domestic markets, secondary and tertiary cities, like in northern Norway, northern Sweden, even connecting the major cities in Sweden, such as Stockholm and Gothenburg, for instance. We want to be part of that development too,\u201d explained van der Werff.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>He added: \u201cIt requires a bit of a change of strategy because many of these routes are now operated by others. BRA has 75 seats, and Heart Aerospace, the first aircraft they intend to make, is a 48-seater. But when Boeing started producing airplanes, they didn\u2019t immediately come up with the 747 or the 777. When Airbus started, they didn\u2019t immediately have the A350, so we want to be there. We want to make sure that we can support them and actually a part of our network could use these aircraft.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWould we rather have a 100-seater than a 50-seater? Yes, for sure. Would we rather have a 150-seater that\u2019s fully electric and can fly right to 3,000 kilometers? Yes, for sure. But you\u2019ve got to start somewhere.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" title=\"sas hear aerospace\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" src=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-1024x683.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-74878\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-1024x683.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-768x512.png 768w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-380x253.png 380w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-800x533.png 800w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-1160x773.png 1160w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-760x507.png 760w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1-600x400.png 600w, https:\/\/www.aerotime.aero\/images\/sas-hear-aerospace-1.png 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Heart Aerospace ES-30 in SAS livery<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>However, SAS is placing most of its hopes on scaling up SAF production, particularly synthetically produced e-SAF.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s definitely more than a declaration of intentions. We are absolutely buying SAF already,\u201d van der Werff said. \u201cIn fact, the data for last year [2024] was that Air France-KLM was the airline with the highest percentage of sustainable aviation fuel, and we were second, very close to Air France KLM, but they beat us, and we got in second in the world. So, we are buying it. We\u2019re using it.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHowever, if you look at the ambition levels, and if you also look at regulations, we do need to increase production of sustainable aviation fuel or e-SAF considerably or at least find different technological solutions. And that is why we\u2019re spending time on electrical aviation, and we\u2019re still spending time with Airbus on hydrogen aircraft. I mean, it\u2019s three paths that we\u2019re exploring.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"returning-to-competitiveness\" class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Returning to competitiveness<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h2>\n<p>Being based in Scandinavia, SAS operates in a high-cost environment. This used to be a major issue for SAS when competing with airlines elsewhere with a much lower cost base, such as the budget carriers.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>What is the current cost level at SAS? And is van der Werff satisfied with where this stands after the restructuring?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think you can never be satisfied, right? We\u2019re following the plan, which was to be profitable this year, so we\u2019re following that, and I think we\u2019re even slightly ahead of it,\u201d he said. \u201cBut there\u2019s plenty of geopolitical tension and excitement around us. So how will that be reflected in the future? We still have to see.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think it\u2019s going to be a matter of normal day-to-day cost management as an airline. I have been in this industry for 25 years and I don\u2019t think any of us have ever been complacent or happy with whatever cost level we have. I heard someone say yesterday that this industry is a lightning rod for anything bad that happens in the geopolitical world. So, you can never be satisfied. We always have to keep on working at it.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>However, one thing van der Werff is particularly proud of is SAS\u2019 operational performance.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cLast year we were in the top 10 in the world, ninth in the world in terms of punctuality. And this year, in March [2025], we were second in the world, only beaten by Saudia, who will never be faced with any snow or hail.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>To illustrate the challenging climate conditions in which SAS often must operate, Van der Werff pointed out that on the day the interview took place, in late April 2025, one airport was still closed in Norway due to bad weather.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s been really astonishing to see how well the teams have done that,\u201d he said. \u201cReally. Hats off to them.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In April 2025, just days after this interview took place, aviation data company <a href=\"http:\/\/cirium.com\" rel=\"nofollow\" title=\"\">Cirium<\/a> published a report that placed SAS <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sasgroup.net\/newsroom\/press-releases\/2025\/sas-named-worlds-most-punctual-airline-a-milestone-in-the-companys-turnaround-journey\/\" title=\"\">at the top of that month\u2019s global airline punctuality rankings.<\/a> \u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So, what plans are in the pipeline to ensure SAS can continue building on its current successes?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Van der Werff said: \u201cWe\u2019ve always said that SAS Forward was a project for 2027. So, there is more to be done, and we really want to make sure that we fully get there. There are a lot of things going on for us. I hope that the world will behave as it did until a few months ago, and that we can go back to some form of normality. That would really be very useful.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The Dutch executive continued to outline his most urgent priorities at the head of SAS.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis year is all about continuing to build our relationships with the SkyTeam airlines. There are still a number of codeshare agreements in the pipeline that still have to come online. Then, there is the deepening of relationships with Air France, KLM, Virgin Atlantic, Delta,\u201d he said. \u201cI really would like to be part of European consolidation as well. It\u2019s not a decision we can take, but I hope it\u2019s a decision that Air France-KLM, Castlelake and the Danish state will take. I think there\u2019s a logical outcome there.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe also have the business class introduction at the end of the year,\u201d he said, adding that the carrier expects to welcome additional aircraft to the fleet, meaning greater growth and hopefully new, exciting destinations.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Van der Werff also took the opportunity to mention the future 3,700 square meter flagship lounge SAS plans to open in Copenhagen in 2027.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo, there\u2019s lots to like and, at same time, the SAS forward project is still running,\u201d he said. \u201cAnd we have our own decisions to make, so we\u2019ll make sure that the organization is efficient and that we drive the necessary changes. And there\u2019s more to come.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Finally, what has Van der Werff\u2019s tenure meant personally? How does it feel to steer such a prominent Nordic brand into a new strategic environment?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s probably still too soon to speak about it, really,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019s not fully digested yet because I\u2019m so into it. So, you will probably have to ask me in a number of years.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat I have said all along, and I really mean it, is that I think the SAS brand and its role in society, it\u2019s so beautiful. I honestly feel privileged to have been in this position,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019s been extremely hard work. It has been, and still is, very challenging, but when I look at it, at this beautiful company\u2026it\u2019 been a fantastic ride.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd when I look again, I\u2019ve said it to you earlier in the interview, but living here, amidst such stunning nature. It is so beautiful,\u201d he added. \u201cYou feel so humble in that nature. 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