{"id":207508,"date":"2025-04-26T21:37:11","date_gmt":"2025-04-26T21:37:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/business\/investing\/why-most-financial-planners-dont-offer-very-short-engagements-oblivious-investor\/"},"modified":"2025-04-26T21:37:11","modified_gmt":"2025-04-26T21:37:11","slug":"why-most-financial-planners-dont-offer-very-short-engagements-oblivious-investor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=207508","title":{"rendered":"Why Most Financial Planners Don\u2019t Offer Very Short Engagements \u2014 Oblivious Investor"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>One question I receive regularly is why most financial planners don\u2019t offer an option for an engagement that consists of just a one-hour paid phone call, to answer a handful of questions.<\/p>\n<p>There are a few reasons (which I think most people outside the industry are unaware of) for the rarity of such a business model.<\/p>\n<h3>State Regulation of Billing Models<\/h3>\n<p>Firstly, state regulation of <a href=\"https:\/\/obliviousinvestor.com\/financial-advisor-licenses-and-designations\/\">registered investment advisers (RIAs)<\/a> often creates incentives for RIAs to prefer billing models other than hourly.<\/p>\n<p>For instance here in Missouri, hourly fees of above $250 are \u201cpresumptively excessive and unreasonable.\u201d But an asset-based fee must exceed 2% per year before the regulator takes the same position. So that means that, for example, for a client with a $1 million portfolio, an RIA can charge up to $20,000 per year, without any regulatory hassle with respect to the fee, as long as the fee was calculated based on assets. But special justification would need to be provided in order to charge the same client $300\/hour for 20 hours over the course of the year (totaling $6,000).<\/p>\n<p>You can do the math yourself with respect to portfolios of $2 million, $3 million, etc. \u2014 and quickly see how this results in a situation that\u2019s kind of crazy in terms of how it influences the way that RIAs choose to charge for their services.<\/p>\n<p>The details vary by state, but the general situation is that the regulators are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kitces.com\/blog\/regulation-of-financial-planning-subscription-and-retainer-fee-for-service\/\">more comfortable with asset-based fees than other billing models<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s no surprise that many RIAs opt for the billing model that results in more compensation <em>and less regulatory hassle<\/em>.<\/p>\n<h3>Client On-Boarding Time<\/h3>\n<p>Another factor that makes 1-hour (or similar) engagements rare is that there\u2019s more \u201cbehind the scenes\u201d work than people realize. In my own experience, it takes somewhere in the range of 2-4 hours just to:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Meet with the potential-client to discuss a possible engagement and terms thereof,<\/li>\n<li>Get up to speed on the new client\u2019s facts and circumstances,<\/li>\n<li>Set the client up in the recordkeeping software and perform the necessary related compliance activities, and<\/li>\n<li>Set the client up in the actual financial planning software.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>In other words, before even attempting to answer any actual financial planning questions, the planner has typically already invested a few hours of their time. And that has to be factored into the pricing in one way or another.<\/p>\n<p>An important point here is that, in a DIY context, none of items #1-3 above would be applicable at all (as there is no compliance required and the person is already of course up to speed on their own circumstances). I think this is relevant for two reasons:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>It\u2019s an inherent inefficiency of working with a professional planner: it introduces new work that otherwise would not have to happen.<\/li>\n<li>I think many DIYers think only of the time it would take a professional planner to actually address their desired financial planning topics, and are thus surprised at the pricing (because they weren\u2019t mentally accounting for the time the planner would spend on various other necessary tasks).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Relatedly, many people assume that an hourly financial professional\u2019s weekly compensation is probably somewhere along the lines of 40x their hourly rate, but that\u2019s not remotely the case. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aicpa-cima.com\/professional-insights\/article\/national-map-survey\">A 2023 AICPA survey<\/a> found that an hourly billable rate of $204 (which was the average for CPAs with 8-10 years experience) equated to an average annual compensation of $105,662 \u2014 or $2,032\/week (i.e., 10x their hourly billable rate). And I strongly suspect that it\u2019s typically lower than 10x for hourly registered investment advisers, given that RIAs are regulated more heavily than CPAs (i.e., have to spend more time on compliance activities that are not billable).<\/p>\n<h3>The RIA \u201cNo More Than 5 Clients\u201d Rule<\/h3>\n<p>A registered investment adviser must register in the state in which the business is located. It <em>also<\/em> must register in any state in which the firm has more than 5 clients, within any one-year period (not just calendar years).<\/p>\n<p>Each additional state with which the RIA is registered creates significant ongoing compliance costs, because the firm is now subject to examination by an additional regulatory body. For instance, at any time, any state with which the firm is registered might demand to see assorted client records, the firm\u2019s balance sheet, engagement agreements, the firm\u2019s business continuity plan, the firm\u2019s information security plan, or any number of other things. And each state may have their own unique rules about what they require to be included in any of those documents.<\/p>\n<p>Point being, for a solo practitioner or other very small firm, there\u2019s a compelling reason to keep it to no more than 5 clients in any state (other than the state in which the firm is located) within any one-year period, if it\u2019s at all practical to do so.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, the regulatory environment creates a strong incentive to have <em>fewer clients<\/em> and <em>more revenue per client<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>If an RIA eventually reaches $100 million of assets under management or needs to be registered in 15 or more states, they must register with the SEC \u2014 and then they no longer have to be registered in all of those states. For an \u201cadvice-only\u201d RIA though (i.e., one that provides advice but does not actually <em>manage<\/em> the clients\u2019 portfolios) assets under management will always be zero. So they\u2019re going to have to be registered in all the applicable states, until they reach 15. (And I promise you, being registered in 12, 13, or 14 states while building up to 15 is something that <em>nobody<\/em> wants to do.)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"display: inline;\"> &#8220;A wonderful book that tells its readers, with simple logical explanations, our Boglehead Philosophy for successful investing.&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8211; Taylor Larimore, author of <\/p>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One question I receive regularly is why most financial planners don\u2019t offer an option for an engagement that consists of just a one-hour paid phone call, to answer a handful of questions. 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