{"id":18972,"date":"2025-01-09T15:26:18","date_gmt":"2025-01-09T15:26:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/business\/finance\/reader-case-study-yearning-for-a-debt-free-future\/"},"modified":"2025-01-09T15:26:18","modified_gmt":"2025-01-09T15:26:18","slug":"reader-case-study-yearning-for-a-debt-free-future","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=18972","title":{"rendered":"Reader Case Study: Yearning For a Debt-Free Future"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Brian and Michael, both 34, live with their two cats in central Connecticut. Michael works as a project coordinator for a state behavioral health agency serving young people and has a side job as an advocate and disability leadership coordinator.\u00a0Brian is a quality assurance manager for a state-run hospital. The couple\u2019s been together since 2013 and looks forward to celebrating their 10-year anniversary in November. While Brian and Michael have achieved a lot, they feel as though their debt and lack of home ownership is holding them back. They\u2019d like our advice on how to unlock this next level of adulting and, crucially, how to be permanently debt-free.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What\u2019s a Reader Case Study?<\/h3>\n<p>Case Studies address financial and life dilemmas that readers of Frugalwoods send in requesting advice. Then, we (that\u2019d be me and YOU, dear reader) read through their situation and provide advice, encouragement, insight and feedback in the comments section.<\/p>\n<p>For an example, check out\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/2023\/08\/11\/reader-case-study-stationed-in-japan-with-the-us-marine-corps-hoping-to-fire\/\" data-type=\"post\" data-id=\"36656\">the last case study<\/a>.\u00a0<\/strong>Case Studies are updated by participants (at the end of the post) several months after the Case is featured. Visit\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/reader-case-study-updates\/\">this page<\/a>\u00a0<\/strong>for links to all updated Case Studies.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"\/>\n<div class=\"kb-row-layout-wrap kb-row-layout-id42493_fdc842-2d alignnone has-kb-palette-1-background-color kt-row-has-bg wp-block-kadence-rowlayout\">\n<div class=\"kt-row-column-wrap kt-has-1-columns kt-row-layout-equal kt-tab-layout-inherit kt-mobile-layout-row kt-row-valign-top\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column42493_8be919-b3\">\n<div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_eede9c-11 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading has-theme-palette-5-background-color has-background\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_eede9c-11\">Need Help With Your Money? Book a Financial Consultation With Liz!<\/h2>\n<div class=\"kb-row-layout-wrap kb-row-layout-id42493_2185e0-90 alignnone wp-block-kadence-rowlayout\">\n<div class=\"kt-row-column-wrap kt-has-2-columns kt-row-layout-equal kt-tab-layout-inherit kt-mobile-layout-right-golden kt-row-valign-middle kt-inner-column-height-full\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column42493_65cb77-1b\">\n<div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_dd5adf-f8 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_dd5adf-f8\">Money is terrifying for a lot of people and many of us don\u2019t know where to start.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_df128b-03 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_df128b-03\"><strong>That\u2019s where I come in.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_104020-f1 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_104020-f1\">I demystify personal finance and break it down into manageable steps. <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h6 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_289fce-95 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_289fce-95\">I explain:<\/h6>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column42493_5c1c70-2d kb-section-dir-horizontal kb-section-sm-dir-vertical\">\n<div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-infobox kt-info-box42493_197cb5-72\"><span class=\"kt-blocks-info-box-link-wrap info-box-link kt-blocks-info-box-media-align-left kt-info-halign-left kb-info-box-vertical-media-align-top\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"kt-infobox-textcontent\">\n<p class=\"kt-blocks-info-box-text\">how to confidently manage your money on your own<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_b5fa55-b0 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_b5fa55-b0\"><strong>I help people figure out how to make their money enable them to live the life they want.<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"kb-row-layout-wrap kb-row-layout-id42493_807d25-89 alignnone pricing fw-accordion wp-block-kadence-rowlayout\">\n<div class=\"kt-row-column-wrap kt-has-3-columns kt-row-layout-equal kt-tab-layout-inherit kt-mobile-layout-row kt-row-valign-top kt-inner-column-height-full\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column42493_033342-17\">\n<div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<h6 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_71a282-d1 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_71a282-d1\">Financial Tune-up<\/h6>\n<h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_5057af-b8 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading has-theme-palette-3-color has-text-color\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_5057af-b8\">$1,500<\/h2>\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_d70712-6e wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_d70712-6e\">For people who are financially savvy and want a second opinion on their money trajectory.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column42493_eef10f-0d\">\n<div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<h6 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_101c51-08 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading has-theme-palette-9-color has-text-color has-theme-palette-2-background-color has-background\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_101c51-08\">\u2736  Most Popular  \u2736<\/h6>\n<h6 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_314055-2b wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_314055-2b\">Complete Financial Consultation<\/h6>\n<h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_b1dc40-bb wp-block-kadence-advancedheading has-theme-palette-3-color has-text-color\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_b1dc40-bb\">$3,500<\/h2>\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_7f5a68-c1 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_7f5a68-c1\">For folks who need a complete financial plan &amp; analysis of their financial future. No prior money experience required!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column42493_e528b7-a7\">\n<div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<h6 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_a3f824-e3 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_a3f824-e3\">Complex Financial Consultation<\/h6>\n<h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_f257bd-11 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading has-theme-palette-3-color has-text-color\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_f257bd-11\">$5,500<\/h2>\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_519fb9-28 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_519fb9-28\">For folks with complex financial situations, including more than one rental property and\/or a small business.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h6 class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_56a2a2-b0 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_56a2a2-b0\"><strong>Not sure which package is right for you?<\/strong><\/h6>\n<p class=\"kt-adv-heading42493_34a8ad-cd wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading42493_34a8ad-cd\">Book a free 15-minute call with me to discuss.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Goal Of Reader Case Studies<\/h3>\n<p>Reader Case Studies highlight a diverse range of financial situations, ages, ethnicities, locations, goals, careers, incomes, family compositions and more!<\/p>\n<p>The Case Study series began in 2016 and, to date, there\u2019ve been<strong>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/category\/reader-case-studies\/\">103 Case Studies<\/a><\/strong>.\u00a0I\u2019ve featured folks with annual incomes ranging from $17k to $200k+ and net worths ranging from -$300k to $2.9M+.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve featured single, married, partnered, divorced, child-filled and child-free households. I\u2019ve featured gay, straight, queer, bisexual and polyamorous people. I\u2019ve featured women, non-binary folks and men. I\u2019ve featured transgender and cisgender people. I\u2019ve had cat people and dog people. I\u2019ve featured folks from the US, Australia, Canada, England, South Africa, Spain, Finland, the Netherlands, Germany and France. I\u2019ve featured people with PhDs and people with high school diplomas. I\u2019ve featured people in their early 20\u2019s and people in their late 60\u2019s. I\u2019ve featured folks who live on farms and folks who live in New York City.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Reader Case Study Guidelines<\/h3>\n<p>I probably don\u2019t need to say the following because you all are the kindest, most polite commenters on the internet, but please note that Frugalwoods is a judgement-free zone where we endeavor to help one another, not condemn.<\/p>\n<p><strong>There\u2019s no room for rudeness here.\u00a0<\/strong>The goal is to create a supportive environment where we all acknowledge we\u2019re human, we\u2019re flawed, but we choose to be here together, workshopping our money and our lives with positive, proactive suggestions and ideas.<\/p>\n<p><strong>And a disclaimer that I am not a trained financial professional and I encourage people not to make serious financial decisions based solely on what one person on the internet advises.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I encourage everyone to do their own research to determine the best course of action for their finances. I am not a financial advisor and I am not your financial advisor.<\/p>\n<p>With that I\u2019ll let Michael, today\u2019s Case Study subject, take it from here!<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Michael\u2019s Story<\/h3>\n<p>Hi, Frugalwoods!\u00a0 I\u2019m Michael, my partner is Brian and we\u2019re both 34. We have two kittens and live in central Connecticut. I work as a project coordinator for a state behavioral health agency that serves young people, and my side job is as an advocate and disability leadership coordinator. I am passionate about my work since I\u2019m a brain injury survivor and have had mental health challenges.\u00a0Brian works as a quality assurance manager for a state-run hospital. We\u2019ve been together since 2013 and will celebrate our 10-year anniversary this November.<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"720\" height=\"366\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42752\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs.jpg 720w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs-300x153.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs-560x285.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"720\" height=\"366\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42752\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs.jpg 720w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs-300x153.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/rcs-560x285.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\"\/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Brian and Michael<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Michael and Brian\u2019s Hobbies<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I love books (both reading and collecting) and enjoy cooking and reading about food, drawing, watching tv and movies, and the occasional video game. When he isn\u2019t enjoying quiet time at home with us, Brian enjoys spending time outdoors running, hiking, gardening, attending community events and traveling.\u00a0 He is also a lifelong learner and advocate who enjoys watching documentaries, attending webinars, visiting museums and then sharing the information he learns with others.\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>Originally from the Boston area, Brian comes from a large Irish Catholic family and spends many weekends traveling to spend time with them.\u00a0 After struggling through his secondary and undergraduate studies, Brian is eager to achieve academic success in a potential future graduate degree program.\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p><strong>Some of our major goals include owning a home, getting married, starting a business, achieving athletic success and leaving a lasting legacy.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What feels most pressing right now? What brings you to submit a Case Study?<\/h3>\n<p>A lot happened this past year and we feel like we\u2019re just now making it to the other side. We had two major life events:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>We lost Rex, our dear cat of nearly 8 years, to cancer.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li> Our apartment building was sold to a new company that didn\u2019t renew anyone\u2019s lease. <\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>We went from enjoying a cozy, 600 sq ft studio apartment (at $945\/month) to navigating the 2022\/2023 rental market. We spent 3.5 months scrambling to find a new place to live, packing up our lives and uprooting ourselves from what had been our happy home for the past eight years\u2013all while caring for two new kittens with tummy trouble\u2013it was a lot!\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_13ab0f-75\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42736\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-560x420.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-1024x768.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42736\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Brian-and-Rex-at-Christmastime-560x420.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Brian and Rex at Christmastime<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>Back in August 2022, our life looked totally different\u2013our plan at that time was to move into a house when we were ready, along with our cat Rex.\u00a0\u00a0We were forecasting an ability to re-enter the housing market in late 2023 prior to our unplanned veterinary and moving expenses.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Our Debt<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Brian paid off all of his student loans a few years ago (a total of $58,000 ) and has been promoted in his job. He made career changes from corporate to private non-profit and most recently to the public sector (with the state).  While he was initially\u00a0resistant to applying, Brian now acknowledges that had it not been for my encouragement to apply for his current state job, he\u2019d be earning significantly less, would not have such generous benefits (i.e. healthcare for life and a pension) and our standard of living would not be as comfortable.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>While he currently has no student loan debt, Brian has significant consumer debt and minimal liquid savings.\u00a0 His long term investments are underfunded and not as diverse as he would like, which poses the risk of not having adequate retirement income when we are of retirement age. This is especially concerning to us given the precarious status of Social Security in the current political climate.\u00a0 Brain also views not owning real estate as a vulnerability in the current housing\/rental market.<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_e82df3-e5\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"461\" height=\"1024\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42745\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-461x1024.jpg 461w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-135x300.jpg 135w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-768x1705.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-692x1536.jpg 692w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-922x2048.jpg 922w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-504x1120.jpg 504w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-scaled.jpg 1153w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 461px) 100vw, 461px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-461x1024.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"461\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-461x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42745\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-461x1024.jpg 461w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-135x300.jpg 135w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-768x1705.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-692x1536.jpg 692w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-922x2048.jpg 922w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-504x1120.jpg 504w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/New-apartment-library-scaled.jpg 1153w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 461px) 100vw, 461px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>New apartment library<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>Brian wants to be able to take advantage of the opportunity to \u201cbuy low\u201d and is concerned about not being in a financial position to do so when the housing market turns.\u00a0 Brian\u2019s consumer spending is exorbitant; that coupled with his lack of savings makes him fear that he will not be able to achieve his life goals or provide for our family as we get older, given that he may not have time to make up for previous financial mistakes and irresponsible spending.\u00a0Brian feels that professional help is needed to ensure our individual and shared goals are achievable and don\u2019t become dreams forever deferred.<\/p>\n<p>I have wonderful bosses and leadership at my current jobs, but am feeling called to pursue opportunities on my own as well. I want to devote time going forward to explore how I can use my interests and skills in meaningful and enriching ways, such as through organizing, cooking, coaching, etc.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What\u2019s the best part of your current lifestyle\/routine?<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Our Hobbies<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Now that the move is over, Brian has been enjoying running in his free time.\u00a0 Our new space allows us to have a home library\/media room with surround sound, which is great for enjoying TV and movies together.\u00a0 The home office also provides us space to each do quiet work on the computer together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Our Home<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We live comfortably in a luxurious two-bedroom, two-bathroom apartment in a refurbished mill.\u00a0 While we\u2019d prefer to live somewhere more rural, our apartment looks out over a quiet private parking lot to a forested river parcel, which provides additional privacy.\u00a0 The building has remarkable industrial architecture that we enjoy in our apartment, including oversized windows and ledges, 12 ft ceilings, exposed wood boards and support beams, various bolts, pulleys and other industrial devices from when this was a working mill.\u00a0 While we loved our former space, our new space gives us room to breathe and provides (almost) adequate space for our large collection of personal belongings (we prefer to call them treasures).\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>The new space also provides me with a real home office (I was previously relegated to a small corner desk in our studio apartment) as well as a dining room\/bar, library\/media room, galley kitchen and separate bedroom.\u00a0 Previously all of these (aside from the one bathroom) were in the same room. While not as cozy, this home feels more formal and age-appropriate.\u00a0 The building is quiet with respectful neighbors, there\u2019s a donut shop across the street, I can see the hospital I work at from the parking lot and we\u2019re right off the highway, so hitting the road for a day trip or to travel to see family is a synch.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What\u2019s the worst part of your current lifestyle\/routine?<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Michael \u2013 feeling shame at my financial situation.<\/strong> I was briefly debt-free after years of being in debt, then spent a fair amount with the apartment move and so many things up in the air. Thankfully, it isn\u2019t catastrophic but I wish I\u2019d made different choices. Also, being at home so much is like endless chocolate cake \u2013 great at first, but can be isolating! I need to build in more walks outside.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Brian \u2013 feeling shame at my financial situation.<\/strong> I feel way behind my peers and family members \u2013 financially, professionally, academically, athletically, socially. I don\u2019t like that I lack a clear plan on how to manage my money effectively.\u00a0I know I\u2019m not saving enough.\u00a0I also feel like I lack  the financial discipline to accomplish basic signifiers of adulthood. I feel as though I am a source of disappointment to my family. Also, I dislike not having our own land \u2013 I want to have a garden and some earth to call my own.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Where Brian and Michael Want to be in Ten Years:<\/h3>\n<ol type=\"1\">\n<li><strong>Finances<\/strong>:<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ul>\n<li>According to Michael:\n<ul>\n<li>Debt free within 1 year for Brian, 6 months for me. <\/li>\n<li>A comfortable savings amount and increased retirement contribution. <\/li>\n<li>I am giving myself the goal to make $20-30k more within a year, and have taken some initial steps and sent out some applications.<\/li>\n<li>Money for travel, technology\/hobby upgrades and our other interests.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>According to Brian:\n<ul>\n<li>Debt free.\u00a0 \u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>18 months of living expenses in liquid savings.<\/li>\n<li>Adequately vested in my retirement.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>With diverse assets.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Working closely with a financial advisor and CPA.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>With an excellent credit score.\u00a0\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>2. Lifestyle:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>According to Michael:\n<ul>\n<li>In a home \u2013 doesn\u2019t need to be huge, but nature is a must for us. <\/li>\n<li>We are thinking of staying in central CT but are open to southeast CT where I grew up, or the Rhode Island\/CT border.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Brian\u2019s job is fully in person so that is the deciding factor unless he transfers to a different position; but, there are more opportunities in central CT.\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>According to Brian:\n<ul>\n<li> Owning our own homes (primary residence and second home) with in-law space for our parents to live with us part-time and indoor\/outdoor space to entertain.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Married.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Belonging to a country club.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Able to travel someplace once each year.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Owning an electric car.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Having help around the house for ourselves and our parents.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<li>Being involved in our communities.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>3. Career<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Brian sees himself growing in his current role and achieving an executive level position within the next five years.\u00a0 He would also like to take over his father\u2019s business and continue being involved in civic affairs (i.e. running for public office, etc.).\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Within ten years, I would like to be able to provide part-time consulting services.\u00a0 <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Brian and Michael\u2019s Finances<\/h3>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Income<\/h3>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Item<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Number of paychecks per year<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Gross Income Per Pay Period<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Deductions Per Pay Period<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Net Income Per Pay Period<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s job<\/td>\n<td>26<\/td>\n<td>$3,929<\/td>\n<td>Taxes \u2013 $1,000.23 benefits &amp; retirement (403b, 457, pension, med\/dental\/vision\/life insurance)\u2013 $569.63<\/td>\n<td>$2,344.36<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s Main Job<\/td>\n<td>26<\/td>\n<td>$1,717<\/td>\n<td>health, vision and dental insurance: $50.84<br \/>401k contributions: $171.68<br \/>HSA: $134.61<br \/>Taxes: $293.97<br \/>TOTAL deductions: $651<\/td>\n<td>$1,066<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s 2nd job<\/td>\n<td>26<\/td>\n<td>$798<\/td>\n<td>Taxes \u2013 $94.60<\/td>\n<td>$703.61<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 public speaking \/ consulting *last calendar year*<\/td>\n<td>Sporadic<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td>$2,000<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 help with family business seasonally (tax prep support)<\/td>\n<td>Annual<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td>$500<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td\/>\n<td><strong>Annual tota<\/strong>l:<\/td>\n<td><strong>$167,544.00<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Annual total:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$109,455.42<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Mortgages: none<\/h3>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Debts<\/h3>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Item<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Outstanding loan balance<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Interest Rate<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Loan Period\/Payoff Terms<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Monthly required payment<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s Visa (SCU)<\/td>\n<td>$16,057<\/td>\n<td>0% until November 2023 (17.99% after)<\/td>\n<td>The goal is to reduce this as much as possible before November<\/td>\n<td>$302 monthly minimum payment<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s Visa Platinum<\/td>\n<td>$9,700<\/td>\n<td>10.99% interest<\/td>\n<td>Michael will pay at least $1,400 per month for an estimated 6 month payoff (unless you recommend we reduce our savings in order to pay it off faster!)<\/td>\n<td>$174.03 monthly minimum payment<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s Visa Platinum (Navy Federal)<\/td>\n<td>$2,503<\/td>\n<td>0.99% until November 2023 (17.74% after)<\/td>\n<td>Brian will snowball this first to pay it off<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Total:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$28,259<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Assets<\/h3>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Item<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Amount<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Notes<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Interest\/type of securities held\/Stock ticker<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Name of bank\/brokerage<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Expense Ratio (applies to investment accounts)<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s 401k<\/td>\n<td>$36,992<\/td>\n<td>My 401k through work. I contribute 10% and my company matches 4%. I am fully vested. Should I increase my contributions?<\/td>\n<td>Vanguard Target Retirement 2055<\/td>\n<td>Vanguard<\/td>\n<td>0.08%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s 401k (old job)<\/td>\n<td>$19,305<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s Pension Fund<\/td>\n<td>$8,953<\/td>\n<td>Assuming we calculated it correctly on the state retirement calculator\u2026 In 2054 after 35 years of service, it shows a monthly payout of $4,150.<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s Savings Account<\/td>\n<td>$7,000<\/td>\n<td>This is my emergency fund<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Navy Federal Credit Union<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s 457<\/td>\n<td>$5,886<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s 403b<\/td>\n<td>$3,389<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s HSA<\/td>\n<td>$3,093<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s HSA<\/td>\n<td>$2,100<\/td>\n<td>Health Savings Account<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s IRA<\/td>\n<td>$1,325<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s savings<\/td>\n<td>$1,000<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td>Sharon Credit Union (SCU)<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s Holiday Savings<\/td>\n<td>$1,000<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s Stocks<\/td>\n<td>$852<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s FSA<\/td>\n<td>$356<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Total:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$91,250<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Vehicles<\/h3>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Vehicle make, model, year<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Valued at<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Mileage<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Paid off?<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>2007 Mercedes C280<\/td>\n<td>$4,582 (KBB private party value)<\/td>\n<td>$175,000<\/td>\n<td>Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>2007 Subaru Outback<\/td>\n<td>$2,824 (KBB Private party value)<\/td>\n<td>$175,000<\/td>\n<td>yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Total:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$7,406<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Expenses<\/h3>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Item<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Amount<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Notes<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Rent<\/td>\n<td>$2,000<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 CC Debt payment<\/td>\n<td>$1,400<\/td>\n<td>Estimated 6 month debt payoff at this payment rate<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 car repairs, gas, train fare (8 month average)<\/td>\n<td>$1,064<\/td>\n<td>Brian has had major car repair issues over the last 12 months<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 Debt payment<\/td>\n<td>$600<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Pet food, litter and vet<\/td>\n<td>$517<\/td>\n<td>prescription pet food needed , vet is averaged out over last 8 months<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Groceries<\/td>\n<td>$469<\/td>\n<td>Main grocery store, 8 month average<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Electricity<\/td>\n<td>$235<\/td>\n<td>This is the average; it depends on season. We just switched to a third party supplier, but CT has super high rates regardless.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Eating Out<\/td>\n<td>$200<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 gifts<\/td>\n<td>$200<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Home goods<\/td>\n<td>$200<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 personal care<\/td>\n<td>$150<\/td>\n<td>includes massage for pain relief<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Therapy\/Coaching<\/td>\n<td>$150<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s car insurance<\/td>\n<td>$134<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Internet<\/td>\n<td>$107<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 vacation\/travel\/gas<\/td>\n<td>$100<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s car insurance<\/td>\n<td>$99<\/td>\n<td>USAA<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 charity<\/td>\n<td>$75<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 gifts<\/td>\n<td>$60<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 books<\/td>\n<td>$50<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 clothing<\/td>\n<td>$40<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Phone<\/td>\n<td>$30<\/td>\n<td>2 cell lines with Mint Mobile (may switch in Oct to USA Mobile due to call quality).<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 personal care<\/td>\n<td>$30<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gas<\/td>\n<td>$27<\/td>\n<td>For Water heater<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Games<\/td>\n<td>$25<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Renters insurance<\/td>\n<td>$22<\/td>\n<td>USAA<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Subscription<\/td>\n<td>$20<\/td>\n<td>Amazon<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael Gas<\/td>\n<td>$20<\/td>\n<td>Michael works from home, so his car is not used often<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 medical<\/td>\n<td>$10<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Life insurance, short term disability, long term disability \u2013<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td>Included in Michael\u2019s job benefits \u2013 45k life insurance, and short and long term disability<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Monthly subtotal:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$8,035<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Annual total:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$96,414.36<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Credit Card Strategy<\/h3>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Card Name<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Rewards Type?<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Bank\/card com<\/strong>pany<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Visa Platinum<\/td>\n<td>N\/A<\/td>\n<td>Navy Federal Credit Union<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian <\/td>\n<td>N\/A<\/td>\n<td>Navy Federal Credit Union<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian <\/td>\n<td>N\/A<\/td>\n<td>Sharon Credit Union<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Brian and Michael\u2019s Questions for You:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"571\" height=\"1024\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42741\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-571x1024.jpg 571w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-167x300.jpg 167w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-768x1376.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-857x1536.jpg 857w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-560x1003.jpg 560w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference.jpg 865w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 571px) 100vw, 571px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-571x1024.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"571\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-571x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42741\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-571x1024.jpg 571w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-167x300.jpg 167w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-768x1376.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-857x1536.jpg 857w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference-560x1003.jpg 560w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michaels-past-Debt-Chart-The-Nanny-Fran-Fine-Shopaholic-Reference.jpg 865w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 571px) 100vw, 571px\"\/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Michaels past Debt Chart The Nanny Fran Fine Shopaholic Reference<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>Debt repayment \u2013 <\/strong>Is there a recommended system?<\/li>\n<li><strong>Home buying<\/strong> <strong>\u2013<\/strong> As a rough estimate, we think this is at least 2-3 years away. Any recommendations or thoughts?<\/li>\n<li><strong>Retirement and savings <\/strong>\u2013 What percentage of each paycheck do you recommend committing to retirement, savings, etc?<\/li>\n<li><strong>Should Brian pursue a masters degree? <\/strong> We\u2019re worried about acquiring new student debt after he paid all of his off.\u00a0 Is a specialized or more general graduate (masters level) degree more marketable\/advantageous? Executive masters vs. traditional?\u00a0 Online vs. in-person?<\/li>\n<li><strong>I\u2019m curious about how to be content<\/strong> \u2013 as someone with a penchant for \u201cmore,\u201d these past 6 months have taught me what\u2019s really important and that I need to do more soul searching. I\u2019d love to hear other people\u2019s thoughts on this! <\/li>\n<li><strong>How would you prioritize the following in terms of the current political and economic climate: <\/strong>debt repayment; home ownership; legal marriage; graduate level education; liquid savings; diversification of assets; tax liability reduction?\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Liz Frugalwoods\u2019 Recommendations<\/h3>\n<p>I want to start off by saying that Brian and Michael are in good shape! Brian, in particular, seems disheartened about their progress towards adulthood, but I have to say, I don\u2019t share his dismal outlook. I think Brian assumes that everyone else his age has it together, but I can assure him that they do not. <\/p>\n<p><strong>A LOT of people his age have the goal to achieve what he and Michael already have:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>A loving, long-term partnership<\/li>\n<li>Pets!<\/li>\n<li>A stable, spacious, gorgeous apartment (that isn\u2019t shared with roommates) in a city they enjoy<\/li>\n<li>An excellent career and salary<\/li>\n<li>Time and space to pursue meaningful hobbies<\/li>\n<li>A close connection with family<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Beyond that, everything else is details. I don\u2019t say that to minimize Brian\u2019s concerns, but rather, to put them in perspective and to say that spreadsheet problems\u2013such as debt\u2013are just that: spreadsheet problems. I will brainstorm and outline ways for Brian and Michael to pay off their debt and increase their retirement investments. But at the end of the day, the truly important things in life are already in place for these two. I want them\u2013and everyone else\u2013to keep that in mind. <\/p>\n<p>Yes, managing your money does decrease stress and anxiety. Yes, managing your money does open up new options and possibilities for your life. However, it\u2019s important to remember that while money makes life better and easier, it doesn\u2019t <em>solve<\/em> life for you. I think we can all cite plenty of unhappy rich people as proof. So yes, it\u2019s important to correctly manage your money and yes, it\u2019ll give you a better retirement; but remember that money is just one component of a well-lived life.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Step #1: Track Your Spending<\/h3>\n<p>Before delving into Michael and Brian\u2019s specific questions, I want to encourage them to start rigorously tracking their spending. As they reported here, their annual net income is $109,455 and their annual spending is $96,414. Since their net income accounts for all of their pre-tax retirement contributions and their spending includes their debt repayments, they should have $13,041 leftover every year, which they could use to pay down their debt. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_c6c79c-ca\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"461\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42749\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-1024x461.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-300x135.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-768x346.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-1536x692.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-2048x922.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-560x252.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-1024x461.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"461\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-1024x461.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42749\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-1024x461.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-300x135.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-768x346.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-1536x692.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-2048x922.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-2-560x252.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Michael and Brian\u2019s cat<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>To get a handle on whether or not they have this excess every year, I encourage Michael and Brian to enact an expense tracking system. I use and recommend the service from <a class=\"thirstylink\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Personal Capital\" href=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/recommends\/personal-capital\/\" data-shortcode=\"true\"><strong>Empower (formerly Personal Capital<\/strong>)<\/a> because it\u2019s free and easy to use. Alternately, they can use pen and paper, download their bank and credit card statements or create their own spreadsheet system. Whatever works for them both and whatever they can stick with is fine. <strong>It doesn\u2019t matter how you track you spending, it only matters that you do. <\/strong>Until Michael and Brian know where every dollar is going, it\u2019ll be tough for them to articulate how they want to change their spending.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Michael\u2019s Question #1: Debt Repayment Strategies<\/h3>\n<p>I know that Michael and Brian are down on themselves about having debt, but I don\u2019t see it as some moral failing. Debt happens; what matters is how you deal with it. <\/p>\n<p>Additionally, their debt load isn\u2019t all that significant. Let\u2019s take a look at it again here:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Item<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Outstanding loan balance<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Interest Rate<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Loan Period\/Payoff Terms<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Monthly required payment<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s Visa (SCU)<\/td>\n<td>$16,057<\/td>\n<td>0% until November 2023 (17.99% after)<\/td>\n<td>The goal is to reduce this as much as possible before November<\/td>\n<td>$302 monthly minimum payment<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s Visa Platinum<\/td>\n<td>$9,700<\/td>\n<td>10.99% interest<\/td>\n<td>Michael will pay at least $1,400 per month for an estimated 6 month payoff (unless you recommend we reduce our savings in order to pay it off faster!)<\/td>\n<td>$174.03 monthly minimum payment<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s Visa Platinum (Navy Federal)<\/td>\n<td>$2,503<\/td>\n<td>0.99% until November 2023 (17.74% after)<\/td>\n<td>Brian will snowball this first to pay it off<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Total:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$28,259<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td\/>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<p>Is $28k in consumer debt great? No, it\u2019s not; but it also isn\u2019t the end of the world. Especially not with Brian and Michael\u2019s household income. I like the strategy they\u2019ve outlined above since it focuses on eliminating debt before mega interest rates kick in. Debt is not inherently \u201cbad,\u201d but high interest rates are bad. <\/p>\n<p><strong>If it were me, I would reduce all of my spending\u2013starting today\u2013in order to pay off this debt as quickly as possible.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>While I agree that the couple needs to save more into retirement and their emergency fund, I see these debts as a priority to eliminate because it\u2019ll save them money in the long run.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Debt Payoff Suggestion #1: Reduce Spending ASAP<\/h3>\n<p>Michael and Brian have two variables they can adjust here: income and expenses. They can earn more in order to pay off their debt, they can spend less or, for maximum effect, they can do both! I always suggest starting with reducing spending because it\u2019s something you can do right away. Increasing income is equally effective, but it\u2019s typically a longer-term prospect. Plus, Michael noted that he already has his eye on increasing his income this year. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_8ee24b-ac\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"461\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42735\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-1024x461.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-300x135.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-768x346.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-1536x692.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-2048x922.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-560x252.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-1024x461.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"461\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-1024x461.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42735\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-1024x461.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-300x135.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-768x346.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-1536x692.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-2048x922.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Breakfast-in-bed-560x252.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Breakfast in bed<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>Reducing spending also enables you to identify your priorities. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We are what we spend and if we\u2019re not spending on our highest and best priorities, we\u2019re frittering away money on things that don\u2019t matter to us. Hence, reducing spending will help Michael and Brian pay off their debts (in the near term) and learn to spend mindfully (in the long term). I suggest they go on a short-term spending detox, which entails eliminating all Discretionary line items and reducing all Reduceables. <\/p>\n<p><strong>The first step, which I\u2019ve done for them below, is to define all of your expenses as Fixed, Reduceable or Discretionary:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Fixed expenses<\/strong> are things you cannot change. Examples: your rent and debt payments.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Reduceable expenses<\/strong> are necessary for human survival, but you control how much you spend on them. Examples: groceries and gas for the cars.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Discretionary expenses<\/strong> can be eliminated entirely. Examples: travel, haircuts, eating out.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Here\u2019s the categorization and suggested new spending I\u2019ve worked up for Michael and Brian:<\/strong><\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Item<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Amount<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Notes<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Category<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Suggested New Amount<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Liz\u2019s Notes<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Rent<\/td>\n<td>$2,000<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$2,000<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 CC Debt payment<\/td>\n<td>$1,400<\/td>\n<td>Estimated 6 month debt payoff at this payment rate<\/td>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$1,400<\/td>\n<td>Once this debt is paid off, use the money to pay off the next debt and so on<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 car repairs, gas, train fare (8 month average)<\/td>\n<td>$1,064<\/td>\n<td>Brian has had major car repair issues over the last 12 months<\/td>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$1,064<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 Debt payment<\/td>\n<td>$600<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$600<\/td>\n<td>Once each debt is paid off, use the money to pay off the next debt and so on<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Pet food, litter and vet<\/td>\n<td>$517<\/td>\n<td>prescription pet food needed , vet is averaged out over last 8 months<\/td>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$517<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Groceries<\/td>\n<td>$469<\/td>\n<td>Main grocery store, 8 month average<\/td>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$400<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Electricity<\/td>\n<td>$235<\/td>\n<td>This is the average; it depends on season. We just switched to a third party supplier, but CT has super high rates regardless.<\/td>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$235<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Eating Out<\/td>\n<td>$200<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 gifts<\/td>\n<td>$200<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Home goods<\/td>\n<td>$200<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 personal care<\/td>\n<td>$150<\/td>\n<td>includes massage for pain relief<\/td>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Therapy\/Coaching<\/td>\n<td>$150<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian\u2019s car insurance<\/td>\n<td>$134<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$134<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Internet<\/td>\n<td>$107<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$107<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 vacation\/travel\/gas<\/td>\n<td>$100<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael\u2019s car insurance<\/td>\n<td>$99<\/td>\n<td>USAA<\/td>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$99<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 charity<\/td>\n<td>$75<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 gifts<\/td>\n<td>$60<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 books<\/td>\n<td>$50<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 clothing<\/td>\n<td>$40<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Phone<\/td>\n<td>$30<\/td>\n<td>2 cell lines with Mint Mobile (may switch in Oct to USA Mobile due to call quality).<\/td>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$30<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 personal care<\/td>\n<td>$30<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gas<\/td>\n<td>$27<\/td>\n<td>For Water heater<\/td>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$27<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael \u2013 Games<\/td>\n<td>$25<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Renters insurance<\/td>\n<td>$22<\/td>\n<td>USAA<\/td>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$22<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Subscription<\/td>\n<td>$20<\/td>\n<td>Amazon<\/td>\n<td>Discretionary<\/td>\n<td>$0<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Michael Gas<\/td>\n<td>$20<\/td>\n<td>Michael works from home, so his car is not used often<\/td>\n<td>Reduceable<\/td>\n<td>$20<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Brian \u2013 medical<\/td>\n<td>$10<\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td>Fixed<\/td>\n<td>$10<\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Monthly Subtotal:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$8,035<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td><strong>Proposed New Monthly Subtotal:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$6,665<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Annual Total:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$96,414.36<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/>\n<td><strong>Proposed New Monthly Subtotal:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$79,980<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<p><strong>The Result?<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-vertical is-layout-flex wp-container-2 wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container\">\n<ul>\n<li>Monthly net income: $9,121.28<\/li>\n<li>\u2013 Monthly spending: $6,665<\/li>\n<li>= Leftover: $2,456.28<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Note that this monthly spending total <em>includes<\/em> the $2,000 they\u2019re already plowing into debt repayment, which means they\u2019d be able to put a total of $4,456.28 towards debt payoff every single month! Doing very simple, back-of-the envelope math, that means they\u2019d be completely debt-free within 6.5 months! This doesn\u2019t account for the interest rates that\u2019ll kick in come November, which\u2019ll push the pay-off timeline out a tad, but not by too much. Additionally, as each debt is paid off, they should apply that erstwhile payment toward paying off the next debt.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Identifying Priorities and Remaining Debt-Free<\/h3>\n<p>Michael and Brian alluded to a cycle of debt-payoff-debt as a recurring problem for them and so I want to spend some time on this idea of remaining debt-free. They are correct that if they keep ricocheting between debts, they won\u2019t ever make actionable progress towards their long-term goals. It\u2019s not a major problem to fall into debt once or twice (and then pay it off in full), but it is a problem when it becomes a habit. Brian and Micheal have the salaries to achieve all of the things they articulated as long-term goals, but not if they keep needing to dig themselves out of debt. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_85fdfe-98\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"461\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42748\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-1024x461.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-300x135.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-768x346.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-1536x692.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-2048x922.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-560x252.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-1024x461.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"461\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-1024x461.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42748\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-1024x461.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-300x135.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-768x346.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-1536x692.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-2048x922.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/The-kittens-1-560x252.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Brian and Michael\u2019s cat<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>The goal for them is to find a comfortable middle where they can rest.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>At present, Brian and Michael are vacillating between feast and famine. They overspent, which resulted in debt, and now I\u2019m suggesting they pull back into an austere, no-spend zone. My fear is that this famine period will result in them boomeranging back into debt in order to recover from this relative deprivation. <strong>In light of that, I want Michael and Brian to focus on identifying a tenable, long-term strategy for living within their means.<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>To help them identify this happy medium, I encourage them to do the following:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Start tracking every dollar they spend<\/li>\n<li>Schedule a monthly (or even weekly) money date to review their spending, progress and goals<\/li>\n<li>Take my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/challenge\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"39\">free Uber Frugal Month Challenge<\/a> and discuss the prompts and exercises together <\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><strong>Michael and Brian have already identified their long-term life goals, now they need to start spending in accordance with those goals.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Additionally, I don\u2019t suggest that they eliminate all discretionary spending forever\u2013that\u2019s no way to live! Instead, I suggest they openly discuss which items they want to add BACK into their budget after living without them for a few months. Doing without something for a time makes it pretty clear whether or not you \u201cneed\u201d it in your life. I encourage them to do this soul searching work before\/in spite of higher incomes. If they don\u2019t iron out this discrepancy between their income and expenses, the problem is very likely to continue with a higher income. <strong>Earning more does not help if it just causes you to spend more.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Michael\u2019s Question #2: Buying a House<\/h3>\n<p>I hear and understand Michael and Brian\u2019s desire to be homeowners, but they\u2019ve got to tackle a few other financial priorities first. Before they start socking away cash for a downpayment, they need to:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Pay off their debt and commit to remaining debt-free<\/li>\n<li>Save up an adequate emergency fund<\/li>\n<li>Invest fully for retirement<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Since we\u2019ve already discussed how to achieve debt freedom, let\u2019s spend some time on emergency funds and retirement. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_bec155-f2\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42739\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-560x315.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-1024x576.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42739\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Michael-and-Brian-Art-560x315.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Michael and Brian Art<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Emergency Funds:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Your cash equals your emergency fund and your emergency fund is your buffer from debt:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>An emergency fund should cover 3 to 6 months\u2019 worth of your spending.<\/li>\n<li>At Brian and Michael\u2019s current monthly spend rate of $8,035, they should target an emergency fund of $24,000 to $48,000.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Your emergency fund is there for you if:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>You unexpectedly lose your job<\/li>\n<li>Something horrible goes wrong with your house that needs to be fixed ASAP<\/li>\n<li>Your car breaks down and must be repaired<\/li>\n<li>You\u2019re hit with an unexpected medical bill<\/li>\n<li>Your dog gets quilled by a porcupine and has to go to the emergency vet<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As you can see, an emergency fund is not for EXPECTED expenses, such as:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Routine maintenance on a car, such as oil changes and brake pads<\/li>\n<li>Anticipated home repairs, such as boiler servicing\/chimney sweeping<\/li>\n<li>Planned medical expenses<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>An emergency fund\u2019s reason for existence is to prevent you from sliding into debt should the unforeseen happen. It\u2019s your own personal safety net. This is also why it\u2019s so critical to track your spending every month. If you don\u2019t know what you spend, you won\u2019t know how much you need to save.<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_226109-39\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42746\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-560x315.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-1024x576.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42746\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-1-560x315.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Michael and Brian\u2019s old apartment<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>\u2192Since an emergency fund is calibrated on what you spend every month: the less you spend, the less you need to save.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>At present, Michael and Brian have $9,000 in cash, which would only cover a little more than a month\u2019s worth of their expenses. <strong>This makes building up an emergency fund priority #1 after they pay off their debt.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Michael and Brian cited their move and vet bills as two sources of their debt, which is another reason why I urge them to build up their emergency fund. An unexpected move and unexpected vet bills are what an emergency fund is for. It\u2019s there to help ease challenging, expensive periods and prevent you from sliding into debt. Then, once you emerge from a period of unexpected spending, you re-stock your emergency fund so that it\u2019s there to support you the next time an unexpected (but totally predictable) expense crops up. Because it\u2019s always going to be something. This year it might be vet bills, next year it might be car bills, the year after it might be your washing machine\u2013we know this stuff is going to happen, we just don\u2019t know when it\u2019s going to happen. Having the cash on hand to manage these \u201cemergencies\u201d is a crucial part of a healthy financial life.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Retirement<\/h3>\n<p>I\u2019m going to skip around a bit and address Michael\u2019s question about retirement because that\u2019s another priority that comes before home ownership. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_edf2a4-aa\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42747\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-560x315.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-1024x576.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42747\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Old-apartment-life-2-560x315.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Michael and Brian\u2019s old apartment<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>Investing for retirement is a long-term proposition because:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>The IRS sets a cap on how much you can put into retirement accounts each year. <\/strong>Thus, in order to take full advantage of their benefits, you have to start early and contribute every year.<\/li>\n<li><strong>It takes decades for your money to grow in the stock market.<\/strong> Retirement accounts are invested in the market and, historical return data show us that we need a long time horizon of investing for maximum growth.<\/li>\n<li><strong>There are tax benefits associated with contributing to retirement accounts<\/strong> that should be taken advantage of every year (you can\u2019t go back and retroactively get these benefits; you have to contribute each year).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>For these three reasons, I suggest folks first have their retirement investing on lock before saving up the cash to buy a house. You can certainly do both at once, but you need to be aware that the benefits of retirement accounts re-start each year. You can\u2019t go back and max out your 2019 retirement contributions\u2013you have to do it each year.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Retirement Accounts Available to Michael and Brian<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Michael and Brian have an absolutely enviable number of retirement accounts available to them! Thanks to Brian\u2019s government job, he has access to a 403b, a 457 and a pension, which is truly the triple crown of retirement. Michael asked how much they should be contributing to retirement and my answer is always:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The very best thing to do is to max out your contributions every year<\/li>\n<li>If you can\u2019t afford to do the max, the second best thing is to do as much as you can<\/li>\n<li>The third best thing is to ensure you\u2019re contributing enough to qualify for any match your employer offers<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Here\u2019s the maximum amount Michael and Brian are eligible to put into retirement<\/strong> <strong>each year:<\/strong><\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\">\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Item<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Annual Max Contribution Allowed<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Benefits\/Restrictions<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>401k (Michael)<\/td>\n<td>$22,500<\/td>\n<td>This contribution comes out of his paycheck pre-tax and grows tax-deferred, meaning he won\u2019t be taxed on the earnings until he begins to withdraw money in retirement. You need to be age 59.5 before you can withdraw money without a penalty.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>403b (Brian)<\/td>\n<td>$22,500<\/td>\n<td>Same as a 401k.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>457b (Brian)<\/td>\n<td>$22,500<\/td>\n<td>In 457b plans, you\u2019re allowed to withdraw money penalty-free before age 59.5 after you leave the employer who sponsors the plan. Hence, if a person plans to retire earlier than age 59.5, there\u2019s a real advantage to having a 457b.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Roth IRA (Michael)<\/td>\n<td>$6,500<\/td>\n<td>Assuming they\u2019re each filing their taxes as \u201csingle,\u201d their MAGI would make them each eligible for a Roth IRA.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Roth IRA (Brian)<\/td>\n<td>$6,500<\/td>\n<td>You pay taxes on the money you put into a Roth IRA, but you don\u2019t pay taxes when you withdraw the money in retirement. A Roth IRA grows tax free. Also note that you can withdraw <em>contributions<\/em> you\u2019ve made to a Roth IRA, without penalty, at any time regardless of your age<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>TOTAL ANNUAL AMOUNT:<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>$80,500<\/strong><\/td>\n<td\/><\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/figure>\n<p>Since Michael and Brian have so many accounts available to them, they could technically stash away $80,500 per year in tax-advantaged retirement vehicles. That would consume too much of their income at this stage, but, it\u2019s something for them to keep in mind for the future. Particularly as their incomes increase over time, this\u2019ll be a very good strategy for them to employ from a tax-advantaging perspective.<\/p>\n<p><strong>For the time being, I suggest they each work to increase their contributions to their workplace accounts (Michael\u2019s 401k and Brian\u2019s 457b) until they reach the annual allowed maximum.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Retirement Wildcards: Pension &amp; Social Security<\/h3>\n<p>It\u2019s tough for me to assess whether Brian and Michael are on track for retirement because of these two wildcards. Brian\u2019s pension sounds like it has the potential to be very generous assuming:<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<ol>\n<li>He stays with this employer for the number of years required and makes all necessary contributions<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<p>2. The employer doesn\u2019t default on the pension<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<p>3. The pension is inflation-adjusted<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>If all of these things come true, it\u2019s possible his pension will provide a very solid foundation for their retirement. Additionally, we don\u2019t know how much each of them can expect to receive in Social Security, but that will offer another layer of retirement protection. Social Security is inflation-adjusted and, in my humble opinion, very unlikely to disappear based on its popularity on both sides of the aisle. Anything can happen, which is why I never suggest that someone depend ONLY on Social Security or a pension. But, the combination of these two things bodes very well for Brian and Michael. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_ebbc95-b5\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42751\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-560x315.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-1024x576.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42751\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/Vermont-vacation-nature-is-wonderful-560x315.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Vermont vacation \u2013 nature is wonderful<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Notes on Investing<\/h3>\n<p>Brian and Michael didn\u2019t include where all of their investments are held, what they\u2019re invested in or their expense ratios, so I\u2019ll provide the below as nudges for them to do additional research on all of their investments (401k, 403b, 457, stocks, etc).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Things to consider when choosing what to invest in:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Your risk tolerance. <\/strong>Investing in the stock market is inherently risky. Would you be more comfortable with lower-risk, lower-reward options, such as bonds? Or higher-risk, higher-reward options, such as stocks?<\/li>\n<li><strong>Your age<\/strong>. How soon do you anticipate withdrawing a percentage of this money? That\u2019ll inform how aggressive you want to be with your investments.<\/li>\n<li><strong>The fees associated with the funds you\u2019re considering.<\/strong> High fees (some of which are called \u201cexpense ratios\u201d) will eat away at your money over the years. DO NOT do that to yourself! For reference, the following three brokerages and funds are considered to be low-fee investment options:\n<ul>\n<li>Fidelity\u2019s Total Market Index Fund (FSKAX) has an expense ratio of 0.015%<\/li>\n<li>Charles Schwab\u2019s Total Market Index Fund (SWTSX) has an expense ratio of 0.03%<\/li>\n<li>Vanguard\u2019s Total Market Index Fund (VTSAX) has an expense ratio of 0.04%<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Brian\u2019s Old 401k: Roll It Over<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Brian should roll his old 401k over into an IRA. \u201cRoll over\u201d just means \u201cmove.\u201d The reason to do this is to put yourself in charge of what it\u2019s invested in. Once you roll it into an IRA, you can choose the brokerage and the investments, which means you can optimize for low fees and your personal risk tolerance.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Employer-Sponsored Retirement Accounts<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When you\u2019re invested in a retirement account through your employer, you can only choose from the investments they offer. Ask HR for a list of available funds and brokerages; review and select from this list. Note that even though employers don\u2019t always offer the very best funds (or the very lowest expense ratios), it\u2019s still worth it to invest in tax-advantaged retirement accounts.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Michael\u2019s Question #4: Should Brian pursue a masters degree?<\/h3>\n<p>My opinion is to only pursue a master\u2019s degree if it\u2019s <em>directly<\/em> related to a <em>significant<\/em> salary increase. Otherwise, I wouldn\u2019t spend the time or the money. I personally have a master\u2019s degree that did not advance me professionally and, I can tell you now, there is no point to all the blood, sweat, tears and money I poured into it. Zero point. DON\u2019T DO IT unless there\u2019s a precise, printed, articulated, guaranteed, direct, iron-clad correlation to making more money. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image42548_02f793-23\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-scaled.jpg\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42744\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-560x315.jpg 560w\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-1024x576.jpg\"\/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-42744\" srcset=\"https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/frugalwoods.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/nature-trail-pond-560x315.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/a><figcaption>nature trail pond<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>Pursuing education for fun is another conversation entirely and I\u2019m not against doing that, but, Brian didn\u2019t state that as a goal. If he wants to become debt-free, buy a house and achieve the other goals he outlined, then spending time and money on a master\u2019s degree sounds like an unhelpful detour to me. <\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Michael\u2019s Question #5: How would you prioritize the following in terms of the current political and economic climate: debt repayment; home ownership; legal marriage; graduate level education; liquid savings; diversification of assets; tax liability reduction?\u00a0<\/h3>\n<p>Most of this is already answered above, so here\u2019s my quick rundown in order of priority:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Marriage: if you want to get married, go for it! No need to spend a ton of money. If you\u2019re concerned about this from a legal perspective, get married at the courthouse tomorrow and save up for a celebratory party at some point in the future.<\/li>\n<li>Debt repayment<\/li>\n<li>Emergency fund (liquid savings)<\/li>\n<li>Retirement <\/li>\n<li>Save downpayment for a house<\/li>\n<li>Don\u2019t go to graduate school <\/li>\n<li>Tax liability reduction: max out all available retirement accounts (see above) and HSAs<\/li>\n<li>Diversification of assets: worry about this after #1-7 are complete. Read JL Collins\u2019 book,<strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Simple-Path-Wealth-financial-independence\/dp\/1533667926\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;linkCode=ll1&amp;tag=frugalwoods-20&amp;linkId=9c1f2880350d806958b7b21b7dedb490\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Simple-Path-Wealth-financial-independence\/dp\/1533667926\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;linkCode=ll1&amp;tag=frugalwoods-20&amp;linkId=9c1f2880350d806958b7b21b7dedb490\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cThe Simple Path to Wealth\u201d<\/a><\/strong> to guide you.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Summary Of Recommendations:<\/h3>\n<ol>\n<li>Reduce spending immediately in order to pay off all debts as quickly as possible, ideally within 6-8 months.<\/li>\n<li>Start tracking spending rigorously and have frequent conversations about priorities and mindful spending.<\/li>\n<li>Take my free <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/challenge\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"39\">Uber Frugal Month Challenge<\/a> <\/strong>together to facilitate and guide these conversations.<\/li>\n<li>Enact plans and guardrails to ensure you remain debt-free for the long-run. See-sawing in and out of debt is not a tenable long-term strategy.<\/li>\n<li>Once the debt is paid off, save up an adequate emergency fund, the amount of which should be calibrated off of your spending.<\/li>\n<li>After the debt is paid off and the emergency fund is stocked, determine how much you can each put into your retirement accounts. Don\u2019t worry if you can\u2019t max them out right away\u2013set that as a long term goal and focus on doing what you can do now.<\/li>\n<li>Finally, start stashing away cash for a downpayment on a house. Keep this money in something that earns interest, but is easily accessible, like a high-yield savings account (such as the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.americanexpress.com\/en-us\/banking\/online-savings\/high-yield-savings\/?irgwc=1&amp;extlink=ps2020%3Daffiliate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>American Express savings account<\/strong><\/a>, which currently offers a 4.3% interest rate).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">Ok Frugalwoods nation, what advice do you have for Michael and Brian? We\u2019ll all reply to comments, so please feel free to ask questions!<\/h3>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><em>Would you like your own Case Study to appear here on Frugalwoods? Apply to be an on-the-blog\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/forms\/d\/e\/1FAIpQLSd7OMm6FFSlxQY2xclMxF4fm8T25Yn-WJ7kq0NxRDW2MN_1rw\/viewform?usp=sf_link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Case Study subject here<\/a>.<\/strong>\u00a0Hire me for a\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.frugalwoods.com\/consulting\/\" target=\"_blank\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"41787\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">private financial consultation here<\/a>.<\/strong>\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Brian and Michael, both 34, live with their two cats in central Connecticut. Michael works as a project coordinator for a state behavioral health agency serving young people and has a side job as an advocate and disability leadership coordinator.\u00a0Brian is a quality assurance manager for a state-run hospital. 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