{"id":18933,"date":"2025-01-09T15:25:17","date_gmt":"2025-01-09T15:25:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/business\/finance\/the-oldest-bad-joke-on-wall-street\/"},"modified":"2025-01-09T15:25:17","modified_gmt":"2025-01-09T15:25:17","slug":"the-oldest-bad-joke-on-wall-street","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=18933","title":{"rendered":"The Oldest Bad Joke on Wall Street"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Have you heard this year\u2019s version of Wall Street\u2019s favorite joke? <\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cWe\u2019re going to predict how the stock market does this year!<\/em>\u201c<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"565\" height=\"551\" src=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-52737\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-1.png 565w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-1-300x293.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 565px) 100vw, 565px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>To the outsider, this probably seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do.<em> Let\u2019s ask the venerable Wall Street firms for their best opinion. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll see your Wall Street firms and raise you one engineer-turned-blogger\/podcaster-turned-financial-planner.  <\/p>\n<p>1-year stock predictions are <strong>pointless<\/strong>. We\u2019d all be better off ignoring them. <\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Risk, Reward, Timelines, and More<\/h2>\n<p>Time and again, I want to ensure every long-term investor understands the relationship between risk and reward.<\/p>\n<p>A guarantee \u2013 <em>a.k.a. zero risk<\/em> \u2013 comes with the least potential reward. In tangible terms, that \u201czero risk asset\u201d is a short-duration US treasury note or a high-yield bank account. <\/p>\n<p>As we seek out more reward, we must take on more risk. For many of us, stocks eventually enter that conversation. Stocks promise more expected reward, but come with far more uncertainty. Even a highly diversified stock portfolio is far more volatile than a simple bond.**<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"733\" height=\"424\" src=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-4.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-52766\" style=\"width:723px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-4.png 733w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-4-300x174.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 733px) 100vw, 733px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>**<em>Now, \u201crisk\u201d<\/em> <em>and \u201cvolatility\u201d are <strong>not <\/strong>the same. But they\u2019re cousins. This fact is <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.cfainstitute.org\/investor\/2017\/10\/05\/when-does-volatility-equal-risk\/\">a long-standing schism<\/a> in the investing world. We won\u2019t solve that schism here on The Best Interest. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>This is why <strong>timelines<\/strong> matter so much in your financial plan and <a href=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/bucket-your-money\/\">why I harp on them.<\/a> Your unique financial goals have a timeline associated with them. That timeline informs your investing period. Different asset classes \u2013 <em>with different risk profiles \u2013 <\/em>are appropriate or inappropriate for different investing periods. <em><a href=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/rrttllu\/\">Further reading: the RRTTLLU framework. <\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>This is all a preamble to why these 2025 stock market predictions are so <em>stupid.<\/em> A one-year performance prediction is antithetical to the proposition of stock investing. <em>Stocks are not a 1-year asset! Not even close. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s as if we had an annual chess championship for dogs, where the announcers tried to convince you that German Shepherds are particularly sharp at playing the Berlin Defense. Perhaps a few people would fall for it. But most of us know the truth: dogs can\u2019t play chess. It\u2019s the nature of the beast. No matter how much training we give them or how many years we hold the competition, you can\u2019t alter that nature. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-3.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-52742\" style=\"width:360px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-3.png 300w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-3-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>Similarly, nobody can skillfully, repeatedly make a 1-year prediction about the stock market. <\/p>\n<p>If they <em>could<\/em> make that 1-year prediction, then stocks would suddenly be a reasonable 1-year investment. Such predictability would be akin to a performance guarantee \u2013 or, in other words, a dramatic decrease in investing risk. And with that decrease in risk would come a dramatic reduction in expected return. <\/p>\n<p>You see? The reason why we use stocks for our long-term financial goals (<em>they are a long-term asset<\/em>) is the same reason why 1-year predictions are silly. <strong>It\u2019s the nature of the beast!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yet here we are again, with the biggest names on Wall Street exhaling the vape from their crystal balls. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"565\" height=\"551\" src=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-52737\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-1.png 565w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-1-300x293.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 565px) 100vw, 565px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>All 16 of these groups predict the S&amp;P 500 will finish <strong>up <\/strong>on the year. Their predictions range from +7% to +19%. This is a remarkably <em>tight<\/em> range of forecasts, considering 1) the stock market loses value in roughly 25% of all years, and 2) it grows by &gt;20% in roughly 30% of all years. Those two outcomes account for ~55% of all years! Yet <em>none<\/em> of these prophets believe either of those two outcomes will occur this year? <\/p>\n<p>If we had 16 <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">independent<\/span> thinkers, <em>surely<\/em> at least a few would have picked one of the outcomes that occur 55% of the time \u2013 right? It\u2019s <strong><em>literally<\/em> <\/strong>more improbable than if all 16 of them flipped a coin that landed heads\u2026which is about 1-in-150000.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, the conclusion is that these are not independent thinkers. This is herd mentality. I\u2019m not the first to point this out. Just think about it. <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>What\u2019s the consequence if your prediction is in the middle of the pack of \u201cexperts,\u201d and ends up wrong? <em>Well, in that case, everyone else was mostly wrong too. No egg on your face. <\/em><\/li>\n<li>What\u2019s the consequence if your prediction is the <em><strong>only outlier<\/strong><\/em> from the pack of \u201cexperts,\u201d and you end up wrong? <em>Well, there\u2019s a good chance that everyone else was more accurate than you, and you\u2019ve got the silliest-looking prediction on Wall Street. Ouch. How can you be an expert and be so wrong? <\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As a result, you get lemmings. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"636\" src=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-5.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-52767\" style=\"width:352px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-5.png 1024w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-5-300x186.png 300w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-5-768x477.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>The chart below continues on this point. Look at the 1-year performances of the S&amp;P 500 (the <strong>gray<\/strong> bars). It\u2019s all over the place. Sometimes negative, sometimes hugely positive. But <em>none <\/em>of the experts see that as a possibility in 2025? <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-2-1024x768.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-52740\" style=\"width:673px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-2-1024x768.png 1024w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-2-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-2-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-2.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>Surely, though, the wizards of Wall Street must have a good track record? After all, why would we continue listening to them? <\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s look at that track record. The chart below shows the past ~25 years of Wall Street predictions (in purple and pink) against the <em><strong>actual<\/strong> <\/em>market performance for that year (in black). <\/p>\n<p>I count <strong>11 years<\/strong> where actual market performance was outside the <em>entire<\/em> range of forecasts. In fact, 4 of the past 5 years fit that bill, with 2023 <em>barely<\/em> ruining what would have been an imperfect 5 out of 5. <\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"565\" height=\"636\" src=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-52736\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image.png 565w, https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/image-267x300.png 267w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 565px) 100vw, 565px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>So here\u2019s my 2025 stock market prediction and rationale: <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I don\u2019t know. <\/li>\n<li>Because it\u2019s impossible to predict. <\/li>\n<li>And that\u2019s ok. <strong>Because my financial plan is not dependent on any 1 year of stock performance. <\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Thank you for reading! If you enjoyed this article, join <a href=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/subscribe\/\"><strong>8500+ subscribers<\/strong><\/a> who read my 2-minute weekly email, where I send you links to the smartest financial content I find online every week. You can <a href=\"https:\/\/us17.campaign-archive.com\/home\/?u=3fbae214bd0b124c6d543d7cf&amp;id=7dc2dd2c91\"><strong>read past newsletters<\/strong><\/a> before signing up.  <\/p>\n<p>-Jesse<\/p>\n<p><em>Want to learn more about <strong>The Best Interest\u2019s<\/strong> back story?<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/about\/\">Read here<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Looking for a great personal finance book, podcast, or other recommendation? <a href=\"https:\/\/bestinterest.blog\/recommendations\/\">Check out my favorites<\/a><strong>. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Was this post worth sharing? 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