{"id":181855,"date":"2025-04-12T02:59:39","date_gmt":"2025-04-12T02:59:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/ambient-music\/adi-gelbart-chain-d-l-k\/"},"modified":"2025-04-12T02:59:39","modified_gmt":"2025-04-12T02:59:39","slug":"adi-gelbart-chain-d-l-k","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=181855","title":{"rendered":"Adi Gelbart | Chain D.L.K."},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>\t\t    <!--\n\t\t        Error: <strong class=\"td-wp-booster-title\">wp_booster error:<\/strong><br \/>td_api_base::get_key : a component with the ID: <b>single_template_6<\/b> Key: <b>show_featured_image_on_all_pages<\/b> is not set.<br \/>\/home\/chaindlk\/public_html\/wp\/wp-content\/plugins\/td-composer\/legacy\/common\/wp_booster\/td_api.php (rara-error)\n\t\t    --><br \/>\n\t\t    <!-- image --><\/p>\n<div class=\"td-post-featured-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.chaindlk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Adi-Gelbart_Adi-Gelbart-gelbartcap.jpg\" data-caption=\"\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" class=\"entry-thumb td-modal-image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.chaindlk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Adi-Gelbart_Adi-Gelbart-gelbartcap.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Adi Gelbart\"\/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>            <!-- content --><\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong> doesn\u2019t just make music \u2013 he builds universes from rewired circuits, stray thoughts, and instruments both classical and invented. He\u2019s the kind of artist who\u2019ll teach himself trombone just for color, build a cello-synth hybrid for live shows, and write a novel while composing for a big band. With <strong>\u201cLiquids &amp; Flesh\u201d<\/strong>, his first full-length album in nearly a decade, Gelbart returns with synthetic choirs, AI paranoia, glitched-out psych-pop, and the occasional bunny theatre interlude. We caught up with him to talk about sentient computers, emotional cuicas, tape tricks, and why making five throwaway songs a day might be the key to salvation. Enjoy reading and listening!<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.chaindlk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Adi-Gelbart_Adi-Gelbart-Credit-Madlen-Wittenstein.jpg\" alt=\"Adi Gelbart image\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">courtesy of Madlen Wittenstein<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: Hi Adi! How are you doing?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: Not too bad!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: \u201cLiquids &amp; Flesh\u201d is your first full-length album in nine years. What inspired you to return with this record now?  <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: I was busy with other projects for a while \u2013 finishing writing my novel \u201cEgglike\u201d, then diving into a series of notated works for acoustic instruments and electronics. Each one was a dream come true and I was thrilled with the results \u2013 especially the one where I got to write for a full-sized big band \u2013 and yet looking back, I found the process a bit lacking. You spend a year composing, hearing everything through MIDI instruments on a computer, imagining how it\u2019ll sound with real players. I missed the immediacy of working solo, surrounded by actual sounds, knowing right away what\u2019s beautiful and what\u2019s throwaway. So, I made a new resolution: record as many albums as I can, at home, on my own. I play many instruments, which opens up endless possibilities. I recently started teaching myself trombone and harp so that I\u2019d have even more colors at my disposal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: The album blends synthetic voices, algorithmic models, and vocoders with acoustic and analog instruments. What drew you to explore this fusion of the human and artificial? <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: The human voice has an enchanting property \u2013 it instantly triggers a deep emotional pull in the psyche, more so than any other instrument. I suspect it\u2019s wired into us by evolution. It goes even beyond human voices \u2013 there\u2019s a song by Chico Buarque called \u201cDesalento,\u201d where near the end a choir sings the melody together, and then a cuica blends in, sounding like monkeys chattering. I always become very emotional during that part, as if there\u2019s still a monkey living inside me answering the call of the tribe. <\/p>\n<p>I thought it would be interesting to use the magic of the human voice but create it electronically instead so that the listener feels the human warmth while sensing something synthetic behind it. It creates this subtle, uncanny effect that\u2019s hard to pin down.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: The track \u201cNubachi (It Who Is Alive)\u201d is particularly striking with its choral-like artificial voices. Can you tell us more about its creation and meaning?  <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: The inspiration comes from the haunting polyphony of the Baroque era like Allegri\u2019s Miserere or Lotti\u2019s Crucifixus a 8. These are crazy pieces in the way they weave human voices into something eerily transcendent (you wouldn\u2019t get this effect from regular instruments!). I wanted to play with this style and these colors as a starting point but switch it up: instead of humans singing to God, it\u2019s computers chanting in praise of their future god \u2013 the first sentient computer or \u201cIt Who Is Alive.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: Your music often feels like a narrative unfolding through sound. Is there a conceptual or thematic thread running through the album?  <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: I don\u2019t start an album with a theme in mind, but it\u2019s funny how one sneaks in once the songs come together. For \u201cLiquids &amp; Flesh,\u201d the thread is my obsession with the rise of AI in the last few years. It\u2019s a theme I\u2019ve touched on before \u2013 in my book \u201cEgglike,\u201d where a sentient computer is one of the main characters, and in the title of my previous album \u201cPreemptive Musical Offerings to Satisfy Our Future Masters\u201d (Gagarin Records). Back then it was a far-off idea, but now that the AIs are here in our daily lives, I can\u2019t stop thinking about it. I have this morbid fascination with the end of humanity \u2013 not that I want it, but too many nights of falling asleep to doomsayers like Roman Yampolskiy half-convinced me that we might be living on borrowed time. Even if we dodge that, our creativity is under threat \u2013 they\u2019re training computers to be artists now. What\u2019s left for us? So with this album, I leaned into my human imagination, still free from machine input, and acoustic instruments, as a way to assert my humanity. The computerized voices are the shadows creeping in from a future about to come.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><iframe style=\"border: 0; width: 350px; height: 470px;\" src=\"https:\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/album=1926129463\/size=large\/bgcol=333333\/linkcol=e32c14\/tracklist=false\/transparent=true\/\" seamless=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gelbart.bandcamp.com\/album\/liquids-flesh\">Liquids &amp; Flesh by Gelbart<\/a><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: You\u2019ve cited film scores, BBC Radiophonics, and musique concrte as influences. Were there specific works or composers that shaped \u201cLiquids &amp; Flesh\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: The song \u201cI.M.\u201d is a nod to the Beatles\u2019 psychedelic-Indian stuff. The same could be said of \u201cDeffir,\u201d which even has a computerized voice doing a Yoko Ono-style vibrato at one point. I wouldn\u2019t have shaped \u201cWeeping Monolith\u201d like that without Frederik Schikowski\u2019s music in my head. Otherwise, these distinct influences are by now baked into my style. <\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: \u201cTime (And Yet I Say)\u201d has a skewed, fragmented vocoder aesthetic reminiscent of Herbie Hancock\u2019s \u201cSunlight\u201d era. Was this a conscious nod or something that emerged organically? <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: It just happened to end up like that. I love how Herbie Hancock, with his incredible mastery, seems unapologetic about jumping from \u201cserious\u201d experimental works to shameless pop. I admire that so much in artists. No fear!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: How do you approach balancing the organic and the synthetic in your compositions?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: This mix has always appealed to me \u2013 whether it\u2019s Messiaen blending Ondes Martenot with an acoustic orchestra, or DAF tying live drums to synthesizer basslines \u2013 there\u2019s just something about these two worlds of sound occupying the same space. How I balance them doesn\u2019t follow a plan \u2013 it\u2019s like colors on a palette.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: The album\u2019s title, \u201cLiquids &amp; Flesh\u201d, suggests something bodily, visceral \u2013 what\u2019s the story behind it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: \u201cLiquids &amp; Flesh\u201d is a quote from the album\u2019s side B opener \u201cTime (And Yet I Say)\u201d which first appeared as the closing song of my audio-visual work \u201cVISIONS for orchestra, electronics, and Bunny Theatre\u201d (YouTube link). In that film, the bunnies meditate on a creature they\u2019ve heard of but never seen \u2013 a bird \u2013 until they finally encounter one. They sing \u201cA bird, isn\u2019t she magic? Liquids and flesh that are flying,\u201d marveling at this creature, which is only a mixture of liquids and flesh, and yet it pulls off the miracle of flight. It is sort of a love song to love itself \u2013 how magical it is, even as it\u2019s made of ordinary ingredients.<\/p>\n<p>I think all my works are about transcending the earthy existence, the \u201cflesh\u201d so-to-speak. There\u2019s a strong cynical undercurrent to my views on humanity and life, but underneath it all still lies a sentimental hippie.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: You\u2019ve played a wide range of instruments on this record, from clarinet to mini glockenspiel. How do you decide which instruments fit each piece?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: It\u2019s an instinctive process. I start by recording some basic parts, play them back over and over, and let my subconscious tell me which instrument would add something. I try it out, and if it works, it stays. That\u2019s about it.<\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.chaindlk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Adi-Gelbart_Adi-Gelbart-Credit-Kay-Herschelmann.jpg\" alt=\"Adi Gelbart image\" style=\"width:574px;height:auto\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">courtesy of Kay Herschelmann<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: Your work often involves self-built electronics and unconventional setups. Did you design any new instruments or processes for this album?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: For \u201cI.M.\u201d and \u201cDeffir\u201d I used a lot of tape manipulation. At the time of recording, I didn\u2019t own a cello, so I recorded the melodies on my double bass to tape at low speeds, playing with long glissandos. Then I doubled the tape speed to get that exotic string sound. I did this same trick for fast phrases on the organ, sometimes reversing them on top. <\/p>\n<p>For my upcoming live shows, I built a new Arduino-based electronic instrument. Synthesizers can\u2019t imitate this glissando sound \u2013 portamento is not organic enough. It\u2019s got a cello-like neck. It only needs one hand to operate \u2013 when I touch the neck, a sound comes out. It leaves my other hand free to tweak the properties of the sound.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: What role does improvisation play in your music-making?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: Improvisation is pretty much everything to me. I never sit around thinking, \u201cOk, how should I start writing this next piece?\u201d Or if I do find myself doing that, that piece is bound to fail \u2013 which happens often when I\u2019m starting up again after wrapping up a big project. It\u2019s only in the moments when I remember that, even with all my experience and skills, I am just an idiot, that something worthwhile will come out. That\u2019s because the creative part only shows up when you let it run wild like a clueless kid. One trick I use when I\u2019m stuck is to tell myself to do five throwaway songs in one day. More often than not, the first or second one will end up as the best song on the next album. In fact, on the current album, three tracks were born in the space of a few days when I was playing this game with myself. Of course, later on, I sit and work on the details slowly and shape them into the final version. But it all starts from playing around blindly and improvising.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: Given your DIY approach to performance and recording, what\u2019s your studio setup like? <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: Over the last few years, I\u2019ve cut my synthesizers down by about 70% and brought in more acoustic instruments. I had an incredible week in Studio Bell \u2013 home of the Canadian National Music Centre \u2013 where I got to play with the wildest analog synths and modulars you can imagine, a real treasure trove of history. It was brilliant, but when I got back to my home studio, I felt a bit fed up with that abundance of machinery. Even my eurorack synth, which I used to love, started gathering dust \u2013 they\u2019re just everywhere now, and that ubiquity killed the magic for me. These days I stick to my main synthesizers, a few tape machines, old preset drum machines (I never get tired of those), and about seven different spring reverb units. Then there is the harpsichord, my beloved Vermona organ, and plenty of brass, reed, and string instruments. I use basic inexpensive microphones and one preamp I got because people kept nagging me about using the mixer\u2019s preamps. Everything goes through a mixer to a computer running Windows 7 with a Cubase version from 2004. I tell myself twice a year that I\u2019ll upgrade, but then here we are.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: The album is coming out on your new label, Egglike Records. What\u2019s your vision for the label, and why did you decide to start it now? <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: Egglike Records came out of a simple need: I wanted a way to release my music so that I could control myself. Working with labels can be a mess \u2013 unless you\u2019re a proven name, they move too slowly and act overly cautious. I\u2019ve got plans to put out a lot more music in the coming years, and I don\u2019t want to sit around waiting for releases to happen. At the end of the day, I just want to spend my time making weird music and getting it out there. Having my label cuts through the nonsense. That said, I\u2019m not done with other labels \u2013 I\u2019ve got an album of my guitar-driven electronic tracks already lined up for October this year on Kitchen Leg Records.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m still figuring out what releasing music looks like for someone with my kind of niche audience. Will it all be vinyl, or should I lean more into digital? We\u2019ll see how it plays out. Once I\u2019ve built some experience with it, I might start releasing other artists too.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Gelbart - VISIONS for orchestra, electronics, and bunny theater\" width=\"840\" height=\"473\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/1mvtAP2JdPo?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: In the years since your last LP, you\u2019ve written a novel, made a film, and composed large-scale ensemble works. How do these different creative outlets inform each other?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: Well, for one thing, spending long stretches in a different medium builds up this itch to return to what I\u2019ve left behind \u2013 after nine months of scoring note after note for a string quartet score, nothing feels better than plugging a drum machine and an organ into some effects and hammering out chords with no pressure.<\/p>\n<p>The projects feed into each other too. For example, the computer character, Alpha, who was born in my novel, sparked the idea for \u201cPoems by Alpha,\u201d where I programmed a computer to churn out poems that I then set to music for a string quartet and a synthetic voice. That synthetic voice started creeping into my electronic tracks and video works after that. The book also gave me most of the titles for my last album and shaped its thematic idea.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: You have a new double LP for big band, harp, and electronics coming next year. Can you share anything about that project?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: The project is called \u201cThe Portal, Finally.\u201d It was performed at Haus der Kulturen der Welt in Berlin in 2022. For this work, I built a triangular portal and wrote music for a big ensemble to try and crack it open \u2013 to reach whatever\u2019s on the other side, whether that\u2019s an alien civilization, another universe in the multiverse, the outside of the simulation, or god itself. Each of these four hypotheses gets its movement, described through music, and at the end, the orchestra performs a musical prayer infused with mystic energy to force the portal open. I spent a year on the composition and got to perform it with some of Berlin\u2019s best musicians. I\u2019m excited to finally put it out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: Your live performances are known for their surreal, immersive quality. How do you translate your recordings into a live setting? <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: I always want things to \u201chappen.\u201d If I\u2019m not having a good time performing, then the audience won\u2019t either. If I\u2019m not immersed, the audience will feel it. So I make sure that I always have interesting things to do \u2013 melodies to play, different instruments to switch to, machines to twist into noises \u2013 the rest is taken care of by the computer. And then there\u2019s the video, which adds an abstract narrative layer. My animations add a mystical element. It\u2019s all synced to the music, at some points even tied to the specific keys I press on the keyboard, and it\u2019s sort of my way of sneaking some over-the-top vibes of arena prog-rock into my low-budget DIY setup.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: Your work exists in a space between high-brow and low-brow, accessible and complex. Do you consciously aim to blur these boundaries?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: Absolutely! To me, the dichotomy between those poles should stay in the theoretical realm. It shouldn\u2019t steer the creative process. Anything can be beautiful, anything can have depth. The human experience covers a wide range \u2013 joy, boredom, curiosity, eating falafel, death. I don\u2019t want my art to stick to just one of those. On an aesthetic level, complexity \u2013 like you find in modern classical music or free jazz \u2013 brings incredible elements to music, but I wouldn\u2019t want the weight of those worlds to take over. Then there\u2019s the other side: things that tug at your heart, warmth, campiness, simplicity \u2013 which are just as magical in their way and just as problematic if you only fully embrace them. I love how Quentin Dupieux handles this in his films \u2013 one of my favorites (\u201cSmoking Causes Coughing\u201d) manages to mix surrealism and Kaiju brilliantly.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Gelbart - Weeping Monolith (Official Video)\" width=\"840\" height=\"473\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-qB7KztvtNo?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: How do you see your music fitting into or resisting current experimental and electronic trends?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: There\u2019s some experimental stuff that I find great, but when it comes to the scene as a whole \u2013 to what\u2019s currently trendy \u2013 I don\u2019t feel connected. Playing trumpet the wrong way around was somewhat experimental in 1961, but for some reason, it\u2019s still considered an experiment? Justin Bieber takes more artistic risks than that. I\u2019d love to see artists allowing themselves to broaden out a bit. A few milliseconds of a major triad are not going to bring forth the apocalypse.<\/p>\n<p>As for the electronic scene, for my preferences, it\u2019s too centered around beats and sound design. I gravitate much more towards the spirit of early electronica.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: If you could collaborate with any artist \u2013 living or dead \u2013 who would it be, and why? <\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: As long as I have the powers of resurrection, I\u2019d go with Eric Dolphy and then get out of his way. He died at 36 after having recorded his two biggest masterpieces (\u201cIron Man\u201d and \u201cOut to Lunch\u201d). Our world lost out on so much brilliant music he could have made if he\u2019d spent more time on the planet.<\/p>\n<p>In exchange for the resurrection, I\u2019d ask if he\u2019d mind recording a few solos for my stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chain\u00a0D.L.K.<\/strong>: What\u2019s something you wish people understood about your work that they often don\u2019t?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Adi Gelbart<\/strong>: At the risk of sounding like a clich postgame interview from a basketball player, I\u2019m just thankful that my music and art get to be part of people\u2019s lives. I want them to misunderstand it in whichever way they choose.<\/p>\n<p>Visit <b>Adi Gelbart<\/b> on the web:<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gelbartcorp.com\/\" target=\"new\">https:\/\/www.gelbartcorp.com\/<\/a><span class=\"td-social-icon-wrap\"><a title=\"Facebook\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/gelbart.gelbart\/\" target=\"new\"><br \/><i class=\"td-icon-font td-icon-facebook\"\/><\/a><span style=\"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: initial;\"> <\/span><a title=\"Instagram\" href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/gelbart.gelbart\/\" target=\"new\"><i class=\"td-icon-font td-icon-instagram\"\/><\/a><\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/gelbart.bandcamp.com\/\" target=\"new\">https:\/\/gelbart.bandcamp.com\/<\/a><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Adi Gelbart doesn\u2019t just make music \u2013 he builds universes from rewired circuits, stray thoughts, and instruments both classical and invented. 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