{"id":163142,"date":"2025-03-29T05:15:40","date_gmt":"2025-03-29T05:15:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/peraltafinancing.com\/american-history\/march-28-2025-a-collection-of-unmitigated-pedantry\/"},"modified":"2025-03-29T05:15:40","modified_gmt":"2025-03-29T05:15:40","slug":"march-28-2025-a-collection-of-unmitigated-pedantry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fivemor.com\/?p=163142","title":{"rendered":"March 28, 2025 \u2013 A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Hey folks! The conclusion of our look at the Siege of Eregion in <em>Rings of Power<\/em> will have to wait a week because I am off to a conference this week, the annual meeting of the Society for Military History, this year in Mobile, Alabama!  I\u2019m set to talk about how Roman military commanders were prepared for command (below), but as I type this, we also had a fascinating early morning roundtable, organized by Lee Brice on the concept of discipline in ancient Roman and Greek armies; Clausewitz was invoked (drink!) as was Sunzi (that is, Sun Tzu) and even Foucault (bingo!).  But it was a fascinating discussion where I think the big takeaway is how \u2013 despite efforts to treat \u2018discipline\u2019 as a single cross-cultural concept \u2013 discipline is both several conjoined ideas (synchronization, obedience, systems of rewards and punishments, etc.) and also substantially culturally contingent.<\/p>\n<p>I had hoped to get the blog post done before leaving, but alas, it was not to be. But, so that I don\u2019t leave you with nothing to read, I figure I can give you the abstract to my talk, some of the charts and diagrams I made to illustrate my points, and then a few interesting links.<\/p>\n<p>So my talk for SMH 2025 is \u201cLearning <em>Imperium<\/em>: Command Preparation in the Middle Republic.\u201d  Here is the abstract:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Through the Roman Republic\u2019s remarkable string of military triumphs during the third and second centuries B.C.E., the Romans could boast of relatively few \u2018military geniuses.\u2019\u00a0 Instead, the Roman aristocracy proved itself remarkably adept at churning out a procession of effective, if uninspired, workmanlike generals who were up to the task of managing the increasingly complex logistics and tactical system Rome relied upon for success in conducting simultaneous military operations in multiple theaters at considerable distance.\u00a0 The Romans lacked, however, formal institutions for officer training, a flaw that has been cited as evidence of a more general Roman inability to think and plan strategically.\u00a0 This paper argues that the customary military-political career path of the Roman Republic, the <em>cursus honorum<\/em>, functioned in the place of such formal institutions, structuring a Roman aristocrat\u2019s career as a series of apprenticeships under the eyes of more experienced commanders.\u00a0 Performance was in turn evaluated through elections by Roman voters and through assignments by the Senate, while time spent as \u2018back-benchers\u2019 in the Senate between assignments served to homogenize strategic vision.\u00a0 This system served to \u2018mass produce\u2019 Roman generals who, if not endowed with genius, were nevertheless capable and reliable instruments of Roman strategic policy as set by the Senate.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Now I can\u2019t share the full text of the talk \u2013 like most conference papers, it is preliminary and very rough around the edges, representing the beginning of a project that is still under development.  But for the presentation, I did draw up some basic charts which I thought might interest you all, so here they are.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s start with this one, a graph of all <strong>attested<\/strong> Roman commands (defined here by me as a magistrate or promagistrate confirmed to have either an army or a territorial <em>provincia<\/em>) by year for the good stretch of Livy we have from 218 to 167.  There are some gaps \u2013 those sharp downturns in the 170s are mostly instances where Livy hasn\u2019t reported what the praetors are doing or is giving an incomplete picture of pro-magistrate assignments, so the real line should probably be a bit steadier and somewhat higher on the back end.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"717\" height=\"431\" data-attachment-id=\"28744\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/acoup.blog\/2025\/03\/28\/gap-week-march-28-2025\/image-41\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/image-1.png?fit=717%2C431&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"717,431\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/image-1.png?fit=300%2C180&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/image-1.png?fit=717%2C431&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/image-1.png?resize=717%2C431&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-28744\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/image-1.png?w=717&amp;ssl=1 717w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/image-1.png?resize=300%2C180&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 717px) 100vw, 717px\"\/><\/figure>\n<p>I also made, simply for illustrative purposes to help an audience mostly of more modern military historians keep track of how the Roman career path works, a chart of the standard progression a Roman aristocrat\u2019s political-military career might take (though I have stuck to militarily relevant roles, thus the absence of aediles, tribunes of the plebs, etc):<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"533\" data-attachment-id=\"28747\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/acoup.blog\/2025\/03\/28\/gap-week-march-28-2025\/career-path-of-the-roman-general\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?fit=1396%2C726&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1396,726\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Career Path of the Roman General\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?fit=300%2C156&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?fit=1024%2C533&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?resize=1024%2C533&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-28747\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?resize=1024%2C533&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?resize=300%2C156&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?resize=768%2C399&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?resize=1200%2C624&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?resize=1100%2C572&amp;ssl=1 1100w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Career-Path-of-the-Roman-General.jpg?w=1396&amp;ssl=1 1396w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/figure>\n<p>And finally, to illustrate a point about how an up-and-coming (rather than senior) Roman aristocrat might experience the Senate, I decided to make up a chart of the \u2018typical\u2019 composition of the Roman Senate in the Second Century, given our typical assumptions about life expectancy and mortality in the Roman world and assuming most of these fellows are holding their offices at or near the earliest eligible age.  The result is a very approximate breakdown, but perhaps a useful one:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"565\" data-attachment-id=\"28750\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/acoup.blog\/2025\/03\/28\/gap-week-march-28-2025\/composition-of-the-roman-senate1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?fit=1293%2C713&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1293,713\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Composition of the Roman Senate(1)\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?fit=300%2C165&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?fit=1024%2C565&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?resize=1024%2C565&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-28750\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?resize=1024%2C565&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?resize=300%2C165&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?resize=768%2C423&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?resize=1200%2C662&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?resize=1100%2C607&amp;ssl=1 1100w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acoup.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Composition-of-the-Roman-Senate1.png?w=1293&amp;ssl=1 1293w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\"\/><\/figure>\n<p>Finally, some links!<\/p>\n<p>First off, I\u2019ve been on some podcasts!  On the fantasy front,<a href=\"https:\/\/theprancingponypodcast.com\/2025\/03\/16\/363-til-you-find-your-ancient-military-historian\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/theprancingponypodcast.com\/2025\/03\/16\/363-til-you-find-your-ancient-military-historian\/\"> I recently talked Tolkien with the folks over at the <em>Prancing Pony Podcast<\/em> again<\/a>, this time about some of the early history of Gondor and Rohan contained in the appendices and <em>Unfinished Tales<\/em>.  On the ancient history front, I also had <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8IJbcOZxdps?si=Zc8ojHPvvfFwymPt\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8IJbcOZxdps?si=Zc8ojHPvvfFwymPt\">a long discussion with Liberal Currents\u2019 Samantha Hancox-Li on everyone\u2019s least favorite murderous Roman dictator<\/a>, L. Cornelius Sulla, both on what he did and a bit on why the newest new right seems oddly obsessed with such a negative figure.<\/p>\n<p>And for something to read, data journalist and podcaster David H. Montgomery over with YouGov <a href=\"https:\/\/today.yougov.com\/entertainment\/articles\/51889-violent-dark-dirty-americans-middle-ages\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/today.yougov.com\/entertainment\/articles\/51889-violent-dark-dirty-americans-middle-ages\">put together a fascinating survey of American\u2019s attitudes towards the European Middle Ages<\/a>.  Some expected, if unfortunate results, in that Americans still very much believe in a \u2018dark ages,\u2019 but also some surprises, like the relatively low recognition of Saladin, who I had thought had a bit more pop-cultural presence as the archetypal \u2018noble Muslim ruler.\u2019  For more learned commentary on the results, David Perry and Matthew Gabriel (the authors of <em>The Bright Ages<\/em>) <a href=\"https:\/\/buttondown.com\/ModernMedieval\/archive\/americans-still-believe-in-the-dark-ages\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/buttondown.com\/ModernMedieval\/archive\/americans-still-believe-in-the-dark-ages\/\">discussed the results in some interesting detail<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So we\u2019ll be back next week, when we\u2019ll close out our look at the Siege of Eregion in <em>Rings of Power<\/em>.  After that, I am planning at least a brief discussion on the non-existence of ancient \u2018special forces,\u2019 mulling over a \u2018Brief History of Classical Decadence\u2019 and there\u2019s also been requests for a deeper look at the Carthaginian military system of the Punic Wars.  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